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MajorMajin64 said:
OK, dudes, ain't nobody in the right here, and nobody's in the wrong. There's valid points coming from both sides. I've read the majority of the paragraphs you people seem to default to writing when an argument is on the rise (ig I'm no different, though, lol), and I've come to say this.
How about we all calm down for a second, take a moment to reflect on ourselves, and consider the counterpoints being presented to us. No one's above anyone here, so it wouldn't hurt to try and see both sides of the argument. I'm talking to both SaturnZ and those on DrStephen's side.
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Dawg.

Not only are you not helping either case (let alone supporting those who were just outright being a dick to Steph) but you're also contributing a nothingburger argument that's only being made just so you can get involved
Both sides contradict each other, so it's invalid to say that both are right and wrong. Hell, saying that people being a jackass to Steph are in the right is a wild statement to make in the first place, let alone that this kind of convo is even happening in a discussion page for a mod to begin with.

This whole convo that's been transpiring has got to be one of the worst displays of the MB I've witnessed so far. Most of you know you can do better to just. Not Be a Dick for no reason where if you don't have anything supportive to say, just don't say it.

go waste your time with something else to argue about
 
MajorMajin64 said:
OK, dudes, ain't nobody in the right here, and nobody's in the wrong. There's valid points coming from both sides. I've read the majority of the paragraphs you people seem to default to writing when an argument is on the rise (ig I'm no different, though, lol), and I've come to say this.
How about we all calm down for a second, take a moment to reflect on ourselves, and consider the counterpoints being presented to us. No one's above anyone here, so it wouldn't hurt to try and see both sides of the argument. I'm talking to both SaturnZ and those on DrStephen's side.
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This is not helpful at all, please don't do this. When a creator is venting about how people treat them and the other side calls them stupid for it, don't try to tell us to "see both sides of the argument." Insults and belittling aren't "valid points," they're just rude. Steph is trying to get people to stop placing undue expectations upon them and the other is telling him to stop "complaining". Telling us all to stop isn't being "balanced", it's just taking the side of the people who want Steph to shut up. I'm very disappointed.

These two perspectives cannot be reconciled. You're only making things worse.
 
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DylanDude said:
There is literally not. You genuinely aren't interested in listening when the mod's artist asks you to stop, instead you just paint all of their venting as them being dramatic. I haven't seen anyone be this condescending and dismissive on this forum in a while, and that's not a low bar to clear.









Shame on you.
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What the actual heck is wrong with you? That is an absolutely mad statement. Judging by your signature, you seem to have a tendency to do that, so I won't even try to explain your attitude issue.
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RedLilyQueen said:
I wasn't trying to argue with you in the first place. I briefly addressed what you said and then pivoted away to my own spiel. And I said some nice things about StephChars with the intent to uplift DrStephen, even if only a bit. Y'know, do something nice.
If anything, you're the one looking for the argument at this point- You've been and are still being all of rude, disrespectful, and insulting. While I find it kind of hard to believe you're still unaware of that fact, on the off-chance you are, here's some advice. Quit doubling down and walk away from the thread.
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Welp, here we go again I suppose. "If anything, you're the one looking for the argument at this point" Here comes the blame game. Here is where you're wrong. It's not an "rude" if I disagree with your notion. I don't even know why I have to explain that, but look where we are. "You've been and are still being all of rude, disrespectful, and insulting." No. Just...no. Feel free the re read my post. Never have I said anything rude or disrespectful, but I know someone is going to be cherry picking and twisting my words, as people have a tendency to do so. "Quit doubling down and walk away from the thread." Nope, buddy. That's not how I roll. If I see someone being a total carcass, then I'm going to say something.
 
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SaturnZ said:
What the actual heck is wrong with you? That is an absolutely mad statement. Judging by your signature, you seem to have a tendency to do that, so I won't even try to explain your attitude issue.
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Welp, here we go again I suppose. "If anything, you're the one looking for the argument at this point" Here comes the blame game. Here is where you're wrong. It's not an "rude" if I disagree with your notion. I don't even know why I have to explain that, but look where we are. "You've been and are still being all of rude, disrespectful, and insulting." No. Just...no. Feel free the re read my post. Never have I said anything rude or disrespectful, but I know someone is going to be cherry picking and twisting my words, as people have a tendency to do so. "Quit doubling down and walk away from the thread." Nope, buddy. That's not how I roll. If I see someone being a total carcass, then I'm going to say something.
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I think personally, We've said what we wished, Continuing this banter will NOT help anyone, And will continue to be a fool's fight, Where nobody will win and end up all looking like fools, So I'd suggest stopping before moderators get involved.
 
SaturnZ said:
"Get N or get out". It is not hard to see.
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That is the Nintendo 64's slogan lol. I'm telling people to support trans rights or leave. Do you think that's a mad statement?

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The Unknown Watcher said:
I think personally, We've said what we wished, Continuing this banter will NOT help anyone, And will continue to be a fool's fight, Where nobody will win and end up all looking like fools, So I'd suggest stopping before moderators get involved.
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My rule is treat someone as they treat you. Seeing as though people have now started relying to insults, well, you know.
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DylanDude said:
That is the Nintendo 64's slogan lol. I'm telling people to support trans rights or leave. Do you think that's a mad statement?

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I guess I will have to explain. Your signature is a rather childish way of saying you want people to support that thing or whatever. You can't force people to leave, and it doesn't matter if it was a slogan or not, it is still straight up rude. There are more kind ways to say these things.
 
SaturnZ said:
What the actual heck is wrong with you? That is an absolutely mad statement. Judging by your signature, you seem to have a tendency to do that, so I won't even try to explain your attitude issue.
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Welp, here we go again I suppose. "If anything, you're the one looking for the argument at this point" Here comes the blame game. Here is where you're wrong. It's not an "rude" if I disagree with your notion. I don't even know why I have to explain that, but look where we are. "You've been and are still being all of rude, disrespectful, and insulting." No. Just...no. Feel free the re read my post. Never have I said anything rude or disrespectful, but I know someone is going to be cherry picking and twisting my words, as people have a tendency to do so. "Quit doubling down and walk away from the thread." Nope, buddy. That's not how I roll. If I see someone being a total carcass, then I'm going to say something.
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You have not only made unhelpful responses to a genuine issue brought up by a well-trusted member of this community, but you are also attacking those who are calling you out for it. You are in fact brushing aside Steph's concerns about the community's behavior, and you chose to voice it on this forum. Sorry, but when you say stupid shit you're going to get called out for it.

Also, that signature thing you brought up, you are outright denying Dylan's legitimate points because of their beliefs in the rights for the trans community. Incredibly weird thing to say, you weirdo.


SaturnZ said:
My rule is treat someone as they treat you. Seeing as though people have now started relying to insults, well, you know.
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I guess I will have to explain. Your signature is a rather childish way of saying you want people to support that thing or whatever. You can't force people to leave, and it doesn't matter if it was a slogan or not, it is still straight up rude. There are more kind ways to say these things.
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Funny coming from the instigator.
 
Welp, looks like no one actually fuckin read my statement.
Notice how I said both SaturnZ and those defending Stephen? I've made it clear I'm not on any side, but of course, none of ya'll want to listen to any other perspective than your own. That includes Saturn.
 
Pikaspoop said:
You have not only made unhelpful responses to a genuine issue brought up by a well-trusted member of this community, but you are also attacking those who are calling you out for it. You are in fact brushing aside Steph's concerns about the community's behavior, and you chose to voice it on this forum. Sorry, but when you say stupid shit you're going to get called out for it.

Also, that signature thing you brought up, you are outright denying Dylan's legitimate points because of their beliefs in the rights for the trans community. Incredibly weird thing to say, you weirdo.



Funny coming from the instigator.
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You're just proving my point. I'm not "attacking" anyone. I'm not "brushing" Steph''s concerns, in fact, I gave an optional idea on a way people can focus on them. It's almost as if you just woke up on the wrong side of the bed and just wrote a post. Also, the irony. "You have not only made unhelpful responses to a genuine issue brought up by a well-trusted member of this community" then you say "you are outright denying Dylan's legitimate points because of their beliefs in the rights for the trans community. Incredibly weird thing to say, you weirdo." Not really helpful imo lol.
 
SaturnZ said:
My rule is treat someone as they treat you. Seeing as though people have now started relying to insults, well, you know.
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You previously said this:
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We can have a discussion, but I sincerely doubt you'll be able to make a competent argument without having to rely on the same thing again and again. But if you can, I'll be impressed.
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You've been insulting people in this thread for quite a long time.
SaturnZ said:
Your signature is a rather childish way of saying you want people to support that thing or whatever.
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The only childish behavior I see here is acting like I'm "absolutely mad" for not wanting to hang out with bigots. Interesting take.
 
DylanDude said:
You previously said this:

You've been insulting people in this thread for quite a long time.

The only childish behavior I see here is acting like I'm "absolutely mad" for not wanting to hang out with bigots. Interesting take.
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I haven't been "insulting" anyone. I gave a remark, what is your issue with proper evidence? At this rate it's getting alarming that you cannot make a proper argument without trying to insult someone.
 
MajorMajin64 said:
Welp, looks like no one actually fuckin read my statement.
Notice how I said both SaturnZ and those defending Stephen? I've made it clear I'm not on any side, but of course, none of ya'll want to listen to any other perspective than your own.
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If people were being mean to you for the past few years, you finally ask them to stop, and they tell you to stop complaining, would you want someone to come in and say "Why don't you both stop arguing?" No, because that would only help the people who were being mean in the first place. I know you think you're being neutral, but you're not.
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SaturnZ said:
I haven't been "insulting" anyone. I gave a remark, what is your issue with proper evidence? At this rate it's getting alarming that you cannot make a proper argument without trying to insult someone.
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Is saying "bigots should leave" a childish remark?
 
All due respect to both parties, Just... Give it up, Despite the line "would you want someone to come in and say "Why don't you both stop arguing?" No, because that would only help the people who were being mean in the first place." being right there, I still say neither of you will win the argument.
 
The Unknown Watcher said:
All due respect to both parties, Just... Give it up, Despite the line "would you want someone to come in and say "Why don't you both stop arguing?" No, because that would only help the people who were being mean in the first place." being right there, I still say neither of you will win the argument.
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You're right. It isn't about who wins. It's about who gives up, which I will not do.
 
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