StephChars v4 - Echoes Of The Abyss Update

StephChars v4 - Echoes Of The Abyss Update v4.2

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DylanDude said:
Now that Saturn's banned, let's please return to what this was all about. Respect artists, and respect their art, too! If they say you're being unfair to them, please don't insult and belittle them in return.

I'm honestly shocked so many people had a problem with that lol
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i'm really sorry that you got jumped by all of this. I could've helped you but the situation would've been worse...
 
Fenriraga said:
Giving us 4 fully fledged characters with movesets most people wouldn't even think is possible, and helping out with countless other projects in the community, gives you more than enough justification to feel burnout with all of this. Not that you need me to justify or affirm what you already know.

I know you said you don't take the positivity around your work for granted, but I still think it's important to emphasize it. At the end of the day, this is a Sonic community, and Sonic content will always draw in a younger crowd who may not be able to fully comprehend or appriciate the work that goes into "just" a single character.

It's nothing personal or anything specifically wrong with anyone, just kind of the nature of the beast when releasing content online that it's going to draw in all sorts of people. If anything, try to look at it in regards to just how far your work has reached. People of all ages and backgrounds and... levels of maturity and such have taken part in something you made. No matter the ire that inevitably brings with it, that's something to be proud of - you made an impact.
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I respect the full effort that this dude put in his text!!!
*Just wanna say this but we need more people like bro.
 

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DrStephen said:
My interest in SRB2 fluctuates a lot nowadays, and seeing multiple people wonder what's next almost immediately after the latest release, it definitely makes it tough to want to work on anything SRB2 related. Despite being hard at work for a long time, it always seems to be about what's next, and not enjoying what's currently here. It's always about who the next character is going to be, what their gameplay is gonna be, so on and so forth. Some people outright telling me what they should be, what game it should rip off this time, as if they knew better. It was disappointing to see, to the point I actively deleted comments like that in Echoes' release trailer because they were just plain demoralizing.
It felt as if I was a souless machine that pumped out content and not a real person with hopes and dreams. I've been asked "where's [X] character" more times than I can count, one time someone was CONVINCED I was gonna make Sans when I had never expressed the interest in doing so, and they had the gall to be annoyed about it.
It's all so frustrating to deal with.

I will say though, that through the gloom and doom the actually nice comments usually outweigh the bad, and I thank you all so much for it. But everyone has a breaking point. I'm not saying this is it, of course, but it sure as hell ain't tempting to keep chugging along like nothing's wrong. And what with the recent mod leaks situation, I'm not sure I want to be part of a community that houses so many people who have no respect towards artists and their craft, and just see them as toys to play with and reassemble at their leisure.
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I'm not that good what to say in this situation, my apologies if anything rude, and my bad english.

Take as much time you need. This is the reason why creators/artists ignores their never-ending requests, i'm aware that you want to chat with them ( or not idk never went to discord or somethin' ) but shit happens like there is no tomorrow. It's really frustrating to see them dissatisfied as if your work is not that hard. if you want, give it gta 6 treatment, bet they wouldn't mind waiting for how long >:D

There isn't much to do about it but to think on yourself instead of them, take your time doing something that take off negative weight and move on.

DrStephen said:
one time someone was CONVINCED I was gonna make Sans
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DrStephen said:
I know you probably mean well but I always hate it when my characters are boiled down to "a copy of [X]" or "literally just [X] character" because its just reductive as hell to the work behind it all. It is true that most of my characters' movesets are indeed similar or directly lifted off other existing characters, but they're almost* never 1:1 and they are instead adapted into SRB2. They're inspirations, they are adapted into the game.
*the exception is jana, who is arguably the worse designed and balanced out of the current 4 in my honest opinion lol. definitely needs a rework
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I am so sorry for saying that. My dude. I honestly didn't mean it that way.

I do agree with you that I should have said that Skip is an inspiration of Hat Kid. Not a copy. And hes amazing to play as well. He is def original.

I appreciate your work. And I didn't mean to say anything bad. I'm so sorry.
 
DolphinCube said:
I am so sorry for saying that. My dude. I honestly didn't mean it that way.

I do agree with you that I should have said that Skip is an inspiration of Hat Kid. Not a copy. And hes amazing to play as well. He is def original.

I appreciate your work. And I didn't mean to say anything bad. I'm so sorry.
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He's quoting me; I said that...
 
question: is Kou the same character as Kouyou? (Kouyou is one of steph's old OCs, who happens to be a wolf with blue fur as well and has Kou in his name)
 
I'm not reading the previous posts purely out of 1) pretty much knowing what happened from the quotes and 2) not wanting to stress myself out over Saturn's attitude.
I can safely say I know what has happened.

This is what I will actually say about this mod, is that it is good enough. Actually, not even just good enough, it's basically perfect. I can say I've been around since before Skip's resprite and every version of this mod afterwards has been a treat to play with through so many different levels. DrStephen, I'm sorry you had to go through that, as it sucks to have what basically is your life's work and creativity shat on like that. No one like you should have that happen to them.
These characters are so fun, unique, and not to mention relatively fleshed out. They're probably some of the most creative characters I've seen on this message board.
I respect your decision to leave this mod here. Frankly I didn't even expect you to churn out Echoes and Abyss(as if I didn't think this mod could get any better, it did and holy cow is echoes FUN)--though i guess that's because it was being worked on for what i assume was LONG before kou--and so soon after Kou, so that was a pleasant (and very welcome) surprise for me.
On another note, this mod actually feels very complete with the amount of characters you've added. Four is a pretty rare amount for a quality character mod, as far as I know.
Your work on this mod was and still is very appreciated, this was truly a labor of love like no other.

Sorry for the big text wall.
I hope this was worded okay too, as I have a bad streak of having things come out wrong (both irl and online).
 
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