If you can mark something as nonreusable I should be allowed to only want my reusable stuff in other reusable stuffWhy not just mark it as non-reusable then? The reusable content can still be found in the other mod.
If you can mark something as nonreusable I should be allowed to only want my reusable stuff in other reusable stuffWhy not just mark it as non-reusable then? The reusable content can still be found in the other mod.
If you mark it as reusable, then that's that. You made it open. The burden is on you, not on other creators.If you can mark something as nonreusable I should be allowed to only want my reusable stuff in other reusable stuff
This has serious "It's selfish of the artist to ask for any respect" energy. What's ACTUALLY selfish is getting upset that a mod isn't on YOUR preferred version. The mod is still extant, it can still be played in its original form.So here's where I'm confused. People defending reusability keep saying "I poured hours into this mod so I don't want it to be used willy-nilly", but you chose this. You chose to mod all this stuff into a 25 year old Sonic fangame. It was your choice. I get why you don't want edits of your mod, I agree with that. I'm talking about ports. I understand if the artist doesn't wanna be a associated with a mod, but others enjoy it though. It's really selfish to deny access to port their mod because they don't wanna be associated with it or they don't wanna port it wah. While a port can be unfaithful, the artist most likely would've even put in the same amount of effort into it. I feel like ports to 2.2 should be allowed, while its not the creator's intent, its been, what? 3 years now since 2.2? And they haven't said a single word about getting ____ mod to 2.2, then I think us fans should be allowed to port it. Remember, you chose to pour blood, sweat, and tears, and with requests to get a mod to 2.2, you've ignored it. Also, can a mod lock this thread and someone start a reuability and portlegs thread because the answer to this thread's question was long past due.
Yeah but I can technically already do this if I want to, but it’s through a loophole of making my mod non reusable, saying it actually IS reusable, but your mod must also be reusable, and I think that should b a built in option so it’s not this weird loophole dealIf you mark it as reusable, then that's that. You made it open. The burden is on you, not on other creators.
Eh... if you want it to be an entirely separate option, then sure. But it shouldn't apply to all reusable mods, and basic reusability should also be an option in any chain started under that third option.Yeah but I can technically already do this if I want to, but it’s through a loophole of making my mod non reusable, saying it actually IS reusable, but your mod must also be reusable, and I think that should b a built in option so it’s not this weird loophole deal
Yeah I agree, I’m just saying I think that should also be an option, esp bc then it’s truly up to the artist and they’re able to think abt how they feel on it, as this might not come up to many making things reusable, but they may prefer this theoretical third optionEh... if you want it to be an entirely separate option, then sure. But it shouldn't apply to all reusable mods, and basic reusability should also be an option in any chain started under that third option.
Yeah I can see how you feel that way, I’m still not sure how I do but it is a good pointSo here's where I'm confused. People defending reusability keep saying "I poured hours into this mod so I don't want it to be used willy-nilly", but you chose this. You chose to mod all this stuff into a 25 year old Sonic fangame. It was your choice. I get why you don't want edits of your mod, I agree with that. I'm talking about ports. I understand if the artist doesn't wanna be a associated with a mod, but others enjoy it though. It's really selfish to deny access to port their mod because they don't wanna be associated with it or they don't wanna port it wah. While a port can be unfaithful, the artist most likely would've even put in the same amount of effort into it. I feel like ports to 2.2 should be allowed, while its not the creator's intent, its been, what? 3 years now since 2.2? And they haven't said a single word about getting ____ mod to 2.2, then I think us fans should be allowed to port it. Remember, you chose to pour blood, sweat, and tears, and with requests to get a mod to 2.2, you've ignored it. Also, can a mod lock this thread and someone start a reuability and portlegs thread because the answer to this thread's question was long past due.
I never said anything about no respect for artists. Why do I have to play it in its original form? Why can't I enjoy it in 2.2's improvements? Why am I forced to play it in its 2.1 or earlier phase of the game because you won't allow us to port it for you? I get if you don't wanna do the work, so let us do it for you. Fans are perfectly content of doing the work for you, so why won't you let us do it?This has serious "It's selfish of the artist to ask for any respect" energy. What's ACTUALLY selfish is getting upset that a mod isn't on YOUR preferred version. The mod is still extant, it can still be played in its original form.
frfrthis is just a flame war about reusability at this point.
Nicest flame war I’ve seenthis is just a flame war about reusability at this point.
You didn't, but respecting the wishes of artists involves respecting the artist. If an artist doesn't want their work ported, then not respecting that wish is not respecting the artist. That's kinda been a major point of this whole discussion.I never said anything about no respect for artists. Why do I have to play it in its original form? Why can't I enjoy it in 2.2's improvements? Why am I forced to play it in its 2.1 or earlier phase of the game because you won't allow us to port it for you? I get if you don't wanna do the work, so let us do it for you. Fans are perfectly content of doing the work for you, so why won't you let us do it?
I understand respecting the artist. Let's say I wanna work on a port of ___, and the creator says they don't want any ports. So, I start a conversation with them asking why not. Weeks go by without response, and by now I've lost all motivation to even port ___. And lets say they do respond, and they go "idk" or "bc I said so". They have no real reason backing them up on why I can't port ___. This means that now the creator has full control on whether not people can enjoy themselves with their mod in 2.2. This feels extremely unfair that they can't even have a reason not for me and others to port ___. Why do I have to play by their rules when the rules are bogus?You didn't, but respecting the wishes of artists involves respecting the artist. If an artist doesn't want their work ported, then not respecting that wish is not respecting the artist. That's kinda been a major point of this whole discussion.
Because they made the mod. You are not entitled to release edits of things that aren't yours like you claim. YOU think the rules are bogus, but this standard is common across the internet. Here's three snippets from the Gmod Steam Workshop rules:Why do I have to play by their rules when the rules are bogus?
1. That doesn't really apply to SRB2 besides addon edits bc any port is really a reuploaded addon, just to 2.2.Because they made the mod. You are not entitled to release edits of things that aren't yours like you claim. YOU think the rules are bogus, but this standard is common across the internet. Here's three snippets from the Gmod Steam Workshop rules:
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I didn't skip your argument, I addressed it in the second sentence. You are not entitled to release edits of things that aren't yours, even if the creator cannot give you a reason they don't want their mod ported. The burden is not on them, the default assumption is not that you are entitled to release that edit. What counts as a "good reason" is highly subjective anyway.1. That doesn't really apply to SRB2 besides addon edits bc any port is really a reuploaded addon, just to 2.2.
2. I really hope no one is doing this and getting away with it in submissions.
3. Once again, ports by other members can contradict this rule, especially if given permission to port said mod.
Why did you skip my argument above? I clearly pointed out that modders can have little to no reasons as to why I can't port bc "they said so". They don't even say why they don't want the port. That is a horrible way to base something like reusability system on.
Okay, so this is stupid. DylanDude isn't backseat moderating. He's just expressing his opinion. But more importantly, who has been banned for the equivalent of what Dylan is doing on this thread? I think I was pretty clear earlier that this entire thread is an okay and an important discussion to be having. I'm not interested in censoring anyone down on any side of the issue. It's a legitimate thing to discuss.why are all the moderators so chill with letting dylandude backseat moderate but than ban everybody else that does it?
So here's where I'm confused. People defending reusability keep saying "I poured hours into this mod so I don't want it to be used willy-nilly", but you chose this. You chose to mod all this stuff into a 25 year old Sonic fangame. It was your choice. I get why you don't want edits of your mod, I agree with that. I'm talking about ports. I understand if the artist doesn't wanna be a associated with a mod, but others enjoy it though. It's really selfish to deny access to port their mod because they don't wanna be associated with it or they don't wanna port it wah. While a port can be unfaithful, the artist most likely would've even put in the same amount of effort into it. I feel like ports to 2.2 should be allowed, while its not the creator's intent, its been, what? 3 years now since 2.2? And they haven't said a single word about getting ____ mod to 2.2, then I think us fans should be allowed to port it. Remember, you chose to pour blood, sweat, and tears, and with requests to get a mod to 2.2, you've ignored it. Also, can a mod lock this thread and someone start a reuability and portlegs thread because the answer to this thread's question was long past due.
as someone who used Steam Workshop before, i can safely say none of the rules apply here due to Reusability system.Because they made the mod. You are not entitled to release edits of things that aren't yours like you claim. YOU think the rules are bogus, but this standard is common across the internet. Here's three snippets from the Gmod Steam Workshop rules:
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Here's the Zdoom rules then.as someone who used Steam Workshop before, i can safely say none of the rules apply here due to Reusability system.
1. this is not actually enforced in any way, as there are addon reuploads, like the previously banned Trollface addon because it contained malicious code inside
2. this only applies to Valve code only, not made by a community member, you can take code from an other addon to yours, just credit the author in it's description
3. collections exist for a reason.