= Metroid Vanguard = Samus Aran in SRB2 [v1.2]

[Reusable] = Metroid Vanguard = Samus Aran in SRB2 [v1.2] v1-2

so cool i love metroid and this is awesome!
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This mod was a blast to play, I played the Prime games (Got to the artifact hunt for MP1, forgot where I am in MP2, and near beating MP3 I think)
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Easily one of my favourite character mods, but not without it's flaws. It's first is how extremely difficult ACZ4's boss is. That being said, I have been known as being pretty bad at Metroid Bosses. The second problem (and the most important of the 2 so it'll be in caps) SOFTLOCKING CAN HAPPEN. Entered ACZ4 with one life, died to the boss and tried to continue only to find I couldn't morph ball, so I couldn't get to the boss arena holding energy.
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Insane level of depth. Experiencing all of the vanilla levels as Samus really gives them a different feel, heightened by small aesthetic changes that bring a more metroid atmosphere. Never thought I'd love Deep Sea Zone this much. There's also a couple of extra stages for good measure where story beats are needed. There's a few lines at the start of most stages, which are all very well written characterizations for Samus and remind us all the eggman really *is* an intergalactic threat.
The moveset of Samus is really inclusive and complex, making it very possible to get to any character restricted routes. This allows her gameplay to focus more on item completion, rewarding each new monitor you find with a chance at a permanent upgrade to her arsenal. I ended up spending upwards of 20 minutes per level at times searching for upgrades and emerald tokens (which are also reworked). It may take some time for 100% completion, which is where this mod's save system comes in.
This has to be the most transformative character mod in existence. It's hard to put all of the experience into words, so you should definitely try it if you haven't.
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Great mod, great levels, great character,but there's one thing i noticed, the last level function is broken af, you can grind on the first half of the game to reach ultimate power before you even beat dark samus, and i have no idea how to recharge the hyper beam, other than that it's awesome👍
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As a huge Metroid fan, I must say, WOW.
I found this on twitter after Samus was trending, and immediately downloaded and did a full playthrough on it. It's pretty cool how if you aren't used to playing SRB2 in a first person perspective, the levels feel so much different, I found myself getting lost in levels I would normally zoom through (Which is not at all a bad thing), I would find emerald tokens (And alternate paths, though because I prefer playing SRB2 as just Sonic) I NEVER would have found on a vanilla SRB2 playthrough by just casually exploring with Samus. Once I got boost ball and shinespark, I would try to find all kinds of shortcuts especially in ACZ. I also love the couple original acts, with unique bosses, and the entire map giving such a dark and creepy atmosphere, I saw these non-moving enemies and when I shot them they would vanish, and in my head I'm like "Wait what are they doing?" and then it hit me "OH It's just like Super Metroid, those are husks!" or "Watch out for the blue?" and then approaching the boss of that act and realizing what that meant. I love the attention to detail, and the little references. If there ever were an update to this mod, I would personally really like having the Power Grip from Zero Mission (Although that would snap levels in half with all the movement options already lol), and of course 3D models, at least for Samus and her gunship. Overall just a very solid mod and worth playing through if you're looking for something a little different.
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This is amazing. Although after downloading version 1.2 my 100% run has come to a dead stop by the hands of a horribly consistent crash that seems to occur since the mod's save well... saved after the metal sonic fight. Every single time it gives me a segment violation when I try to start up a run and my save appears present in slot 1.

In the very least, is there any way to delete the save without going into the campaign?
Golden Shine
Golden Shine
The save isn't corrupted or anything. It's the menu causing a lagspike and SRB2 not being able to load all the data fast enough. How often this occurs depends on your device's performance.

-First, try to start in OpenGL and close any programs, see if it works in a few tries.
-If that doesn't do it, rename sav1.dat to sav2 or sav3. That moves the save slot so nothing will be loaded at first and SRB2 gets more time to initialize. You'll find that file in "Luafiles>Client>MetroidVanguard"

I'll probably try to make another patch in the future to try mitigate SRB2's I/O limitations. Sorry for the trouble!
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literally made an account here for the first time in like 10 years to say that this is awesome. downloaded this around 10p and ended up accidentally pulling an all-nighter playing it. it's inspired me to pick lua back up again and try my hand at srb2 mods.

my only notes:
1. arid canyon boss was an *amazing* inclusion, but it is kind of a
visual clusterfuck, particularly because there aren't any 3d models as of yet. the excessive knockback and hitboxes flying everywhere is extremely difficult to deal with in first-person, and even harder with sprites. i'd remove the shadow clones and sparks flying and make the battle much more like the first one in [redacted] - slower-paced, and more constrained.

(also, it seems like it really ought to be the final boss in lieu of OVA robot)

2. you've already got the metroidvania vibe with the monitors, but i think the levels themselves could be chained together in a metroidvania-esque way too, with the entrances and exits being two-way. obviously you're working with the existing campaign, but you could use the same techniques as the actual sm randomizer to generate a level path that is theoretically completable with the items in set locations. just an idea - one that i might work on at some point myself.

3. the solution you've come up with for the emerald tokens is clever, but i think a better one lies in prime games: the chozo artifacts / sky temple keys. with the game already allowing you to go to previous levels without losing equipment, it seems like you could gate the final level behind the chozo artifacts, and then replace their locations as-necessary to require samus's items to access. you could combine this suggestion with (1) and (2) and make the arid canyon boss the reward for collecting all the artifacts, etc.

4. samus's walkspeed probably doesn't need to be so fast - combined with the low traction, it was a liability during some of the platforming sections, which there are many. it'd probably be good to lower her base speed and then raise it back once you get the speed booster.

overall, probably the best srb2 mod i've ever played! which says a lot, because the competition is fierce. amazing work.
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Two things before we start: I have no prior experience to metroid besides refrences and i completed this game twice once on zero mission and a second time on the second difficulty with 100% armor.

Overall this mod was Incredibly fun and well made. It fully utilizes the open Map design of the levels making exploration very fun (only thing that was a little annoying was getting health batteries). combat felt satisfying and platforming was decent. extra credit to the overall tone of the game with it always having an ``abandoned´´ fell to it thx to the soundtrack and slight weather and time changes. but here are some minor complaints that would make the game perfect in my eyes.

1. Some bosses are WAY too easy same can be said about the regular enemies even on harder difficultys

2. The hyper beam is way too overpowered for how easy it is to get all emeralds. i would recommend either nerfing (boring route) or making the emeralds harder to get by bringing special stages back (epic route).
I would recomend making em small arenas where you fight a horde of regular enemies within a time limit (seriously i loved fighting those small metroids would be a shame to only fight em once)

3. i feel like theres a gap between egg rock act 2 and the level after that because it all happens so sudden, another level inbetween wouldnt hurt.
also the last two bosses feel very anticlimactic in the first playthrough (although the 100% bonus makes up for it)

4. (Huge spoiler warning) The story feels like its taking place shortly after the bad ending (implied trough time differences and someones body still twitching and being down there in the first place) which brings me too two issues.

The story has build up from showing the danger of metroids too actually killing a main game character, giving (me at least) expectations on how it will end. But after the boss fight with my faker the story just stops developing anymore and goes straight to destroying eggmans base.
What about the other characters? what was the point of killing someone if your not gonna expand on that. just either dont kill someone or atleast mention what happend too the rest (like for example you could make the escape pod crashland when you get outside after beating the faker).

In short i dont think you are confident in your story to be able to kill of characters (no offense to you, your mod is still amazing and i know it took you alot of effort)

Second issue is samus questioning how someones transporting metroids so fast followed up with two levels later with the blood writing ``beware of the blue´´ this made me assume sonic is involved in those two things which wasnt the case.
Here you just need to phrase the blood writing differently.

5. Egg rock act 2s music isnt fitting with the tone of all the other levels.(this is very minor)

and that sums it up. theres no need for my complaints to be coverted into an update since my oppinion may not line up with others or yours even and i know you also have your own life (i wasted an hour of mine writing this) and you probably want to work on other projects.
i would gladly like to hear your thoughts and wish you good luck on your future work.
Golden Shine
Golden Shine
Hey, thanks for the detailed review! Let me try return the favor!

1: Try give Fusion Mode a shot, you probably won't find it so easy! (don't do it on "new game plus" that time. :P) If even that's easy, try a low% Fusion run. If you find THAT easy, try entering eSports.

2: Turning special stages back on IS an option in the ship, actually! I just personally think they're repetitive for anybody who's collected the emeralds before. NiGHTS special stages use the same gameplay for all characters and break the Metroid spirit.

3: I got really burned out after the ACZ4 and DSZ4 bosses and stage and would've had to delay Metroid Vanguard and give up on SA-Sonic if I continued. Glad you're up for more content, though!

4: It being Fang is moreso an easter egg than anything meaningful. The Sonic cast isn't really related to the mission or ever brought up. Samus just got fed up with Eggman's intervening and extended the mission to take him down. (Really, just an excuse to keep playing through SRB2's campaign. The story was written around SRB2's campaign rather than vice versa.)

The "Blue" Fang wrote on the wall is a warning not to approach the nearby Phazon. (Which is blue.)

5: Was meant as final stretch base-storming hype music. The game's a cakewalk after ACZ4 until Brak catches Samus off-guard.


That's my thoughts! Much as I love Metroid Vanguard, I might not approach it again in the future. But then I did say that before and the 2.2 update ended up alot more ambitious than intended, so who knows!
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Meh. coming back after playing all the modes, its bland. we only have things from Metroid prime 1 (and no phazon suit? CMON! SERIOUSLY!?) and nothing really new. also, it crashes every two seconds. there is no full reset to just Reset literally all of it, no save files, no nothing. and don't even get me started on multiplayer. also, update hyper beam to what we actually know it is when not on something like a SNES?
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amazing work i love the system of returning to green flower zone i used it to grind out chaos emeralds and actually destroy the omega metroid but can you add the grapple beam it would come from invincibility boxes
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Wow. Unbelievable work.
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This is a friggin' amazing addon pack. It's astonishing how well Samus works in SRB2's levels, and the few original levels feel like proper Metroid Prime material (including the bosses). Though there are a few criticisms I do have:

* While being able to start over with all your upgrades is nice in case your luck is absolutely dreadful, the upgrades system does feel a bit too luck-based, even if I understand why you designed it like that. I was actively scrambling to try and get those last few super bombs and tanks all the way up to the end of ERZ2.
* The original bosses on normal difficulty feel like massive damage sponges if you're not using the Hyper Beam or beam combos. They're a massive jump in difficulty compared to both SRB2 and the Prime games, and doesn't really make them as fun to fight as they could be.
* Third person doesn't have a targeting crosshair. It would be nice so it's a viable alternative for aiming manually, because third person is better for platforming (especially at the speeds Samus can go), but also because the lock-on can be unreliable with some enemy types.
* I love the little bits of narrative added to Samus' story and how professional she's characterized as being, but I feel like it's... Not enough? There's not even any dialogue with Eggman, who Samus encounters multiple times. I know it'd be challenging to add more, but my story-brain can't help but think of the possibilities.
* I think the graphic scene that happens in ACZ3 which caused the need for the disclaimer and all the discussion kerfuffle is unnecessary. The sense of tension and horror in the entire scene leading up to the boss fight works perfectly, but I think it could've worked just as well if, say, poor you-know-who was still alive but hurt and scared out of his goddamn mind in a corner and nearly shoots Samus when she approaches when he briefly mistakes her as being, well, you know who.
Golden Shine
Golden Shine
Hey, glad you had a good time!

The original bosses ARE designed to get beam combo'd, powerbombed, super missile'd, etc. Their initial reason for inclusion was so you had a use for all that heavy weaponry you get outside of the Hunters gamemode. You're not the first one to give this complaint, though. I just don't entirely understand it. Limiting myself to super missiles and 1 random powerbomb, I've beaten the Omega in 25 seconds on hyper mode. https://gfycat.com/weirdearlybarnacle It can take only 8 seconds with Hyper Beam spam and of course less as well with Beam Combos. I don't think there's a single boss in the entire Metroid Prime series that you can beat that fast. Maybe they're compared too much to most of vanilla's bosses?

Glad you liked the story bits too! Was a little worried I'd have Samus monologue too much...

While this is technically a Samus-Sonic crossover, I didn't want it to feel TOO "cringe fanfiction"-y, hence why I stuck to some sublety instead of Samus exchanging witty banter with Eggman, let alone the goofy Sonic cast. It's pretty much tradition for everything to already be dead/gone/silent when Samus arrives anyway.
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Amazing mod but the final flash i have no idea how i activated it twice but it's op as shit i activated it in the final boss
Golden Shine
Golden Shine
Crystal Flash is all RNG, manipulated by the amount of enemies you kill until it becomes stored as a guaranteed chance! Watch the lights at the top of your visor.
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holy shit, this is amazing, its basically its own game, i dont even have anything to nitpick, suprised to see it work in splitscreen
Golden Shine
Golden Shine
Thanks for giving it a shot! Splitscreen's technically not supported due to the complexity of Samus' HUD, but I moved/removed some elements to make it at least playable.
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I should start this review off by saying I've never been a huge fan of the Metroid series. For some reason the games just didn't really click with me in the way I had hoped. I guess maybe it felt a bit too slow paced for me in the early game and it somewhat turned me off.

With that said though... holy shit! From start to finish, this mod is an absolute marvel to behold. I've always been a HUGE fan of mods that manage to completely remix the way a game is played while still working with the conventions of the original design, and this does it in spades.

The exploratory ethos of Metroid gameplay merges very well with Sonic Robo Blast 2's level design, and the implementation here also solves my issue with Metroid games being a bit too slow paced for me. Upgrades come fast if you go out of your way to look for each item box and it becomes an incredibly rewarding experience to get super powered early on and be able to blaze through levels with ease in the lategame.

On top of that, my preferred way to play through SRB2 is co-op with friends, and this mod has absolutely wonderful support for it! There are many settings you can choose to tailor fit the experience to what you and your friends want, including changing the spawn behavior for item boxes, limiting it to fresh saves so everyone is on an even playing field, and a wealth of other options. I am extremely happy to see my favorite way of playing this game so fully supported!

One comment I will make is that me and my group of about 8 friends experienced a lot of lag at one point in the Samus exclusive area in DSZ. It got so bad that most people dropped to 1 frame per second! We had to use the exitlevel command to skip to the next level. Trying to avoid spoilers where I can, but three of us moved on to the encounter in that level while 5 of the others were still working on the platforming section, and our running theory is that the game had a lot of trouble handling that many people spread out across the map, as when we went back to it again in a later session it was fixed by simply waiting for everyone to catch up and sticking together before entering the encounter. I feel like this might be more a limitation of SRB2 netgames rather than the mod itself, so I will not be deducting any points, especially since there's a simple fix.

Overall, I was impressed with this mod, and I can say without a doubt that it's one of the absolute best I've seen in my ten year tenure of playing SRB2 and lurking the MB. (just look at my join date!) As someone who really loved SMS back in the day, it makes me extremely happy to see that you're still around and making cool things for the community, and I will continue to keep a close eye on the content you produce. Thank you!
Golden Shine
Golden Shine
Most stick with the defaults and forget the options exist, so I'm relieved the options haven't gone unappreciated. Not sure what caused the lag spike, 8 players does sound like a lot for a scripted event, but thankfully it was resolved.

Try out the Hunters mode sometime when you get a chance. It'll start to remind you more of Super Smash Bros as the amount of explosions and acrobatics increase over the course of a Match than any FPS-match, and the Lock-On helps alot. Though with some fiddling you COULD make it more like a down-to-earth FPS game.

Emeralds Off + Monitors are Ammo Pickups + Start off with all Beams

....would work as FPS-style rules.
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Five stars, most OP Samus out there. Between the command shine-spark that you made the screw attack into, and the ability to get the gravity suit in the second or third level (like I did), this Samus would turn Metroid Dread from a horror game to a kids game! I also like that since Samus has a respirator in her suit, she can't drown. Good on you for thinking of that, that's clever.
Golden Shine
Golden Shine
Also the only Samus. You try a real Shinespark yet? Omega Metroids don't like those, I hear.
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this mod is amazing, my only problem with it is the multiplayer stage revive system
if you die and have a stage revive and you accidentally press jump instead of custom 3, it won't use the stage revive and it'll force you to wait until the end of the level; i've done this by accident a lot
i also dislike the stage revive system in general, as being forced to wait for long periods of time (sometimes even 20 minutes!) can be pretty boring; at the very least there should be options to turn it off completely or to allow dead samus players to switch to non samus characters
Golden Shine
Golden Shine
The jump thing's an oversight.

In 2.1 there were alot of netgames where people would join mid-game as 0% Samus and then immediately get a game-over. That's why it's lenient with revives online. I recommend exitlevel if it takes too long.
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Beautiful. Only complaint is that the extra bosses feel just a tiny bit too difficult. Loved it otherwise. Kinda wish there was an option for beam stacking, just for fun.
Golden Shine
Golden Shine
No plans for it, but hopefully the Hyper Beam fills that void a bit.
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HOLY HELL MY SECOND FAVORITE ARM CANNON WIELDING CHARCTER IS HERE AND MY GOD IS IT GOOD IF MEGAMAN SOMEDAY GETS IN ILL GO NUTS
Golden Shine
Golden Shine
Thanks alot! It looks like MotorRoach will make your dream come true!
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