[Open Assets] Homing Ring
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A little surprised you made custom sprites for it instead of just reusing the graphics from 1.09.
I just roped myself and a few other staff members to test this out, and this works perfectly fine from a technical standpoint so I'm happy to release it. But I do think the ring itself is overpowered.
To be more specific, it's a perfectly accurate weapon that travels very fast, that tracks the closest target without flaw and you don't even need to aim. You could shoot a ring in the wrong direction and it would turn 180 degrees to make a beeline for the nearest enemy. It's basically a deton ring.
You clearly tried to keep it in line with the other weapon rings by giving it a long cooldown and a very high ring cost, but most of the time you can just pick up your opponents rings after he is hit by the homing ring. And fire it again before he has a chance to escape and recover. There's no reason to use the other rings, even with the high cost, as it's almost guaranteed to return the rings paid in points and rings your opponents drop.
One of the main reasons for this is because the homing ring tracks the nearst players location perfectly. But the ring would be far more interesting (and less powerful) if it had a turning circle and spent time accelerating after going in a straight line. This would give the target an opportunity to avoid the ring by tricking it into crashing into a wall, or something similar to that. To help illustrate the example, have a gif of Top Down (posted with permission).
Also it really bothers me that you can fire a ring in the wrong direction entirely and it'll still home in on the nearest target.
To be more specific, it's a perfectly accurate weapon that travels very fast, that tracks the closest target without flaw and you don't even need to aim. You could shoot a ring in the wrong direction and it would turn 180 degrees to make a beeline for the nearest enemy. It's basically a deton ring.
You clearly tried to keep it in line with the other weapon rings by giving it a long cooldown and a very high ring cost, but most of the time you can just pick up your opponents rings after he is hit by the homing ring. And fire it again before he has a chance to escape and recover. There's no reason to use the other rings, even with the high cost, as it's almost guaranteed to return the rings paid in points and rings your opponents drop.
One of the main reasons for this is because the homing ring tracks the nearst players location perfectly. But the ring would be far more interesting (and less powerful) if it had a turning circle and spent time accelerating after going in a straight line. This would give the target an opportunity to avoid the ring by tricking it into crashing into a wall, or something similar to that. To help illustrate the example, have a gif of Top Down (posted with permission).
Also it really bothers me that you can fire a ring in the wrong direction entirely and it'll still home in on the nearest target.
The best I could replicate the the action that the rocket in the GIF does is slowing down the ring a tad bit and adding that auto-explosion when it has existed for too long, but not the turning behavior. Do you have any tips on how one might go about doing this? For all I know, it could be a source code behavior and not a Lua one in that GIF.
It was definitely done in lua first, it's basically accelerating it at a certain speed each frame, and if it goes above a set max speed it slows it down. It's not the most simple thing to do though. You'll probably be able to see the function soon anyway.
There are two things within my ability that I can do to try to fix this problem:
* Slow it down, so you can try to run it out, or
* Try to script a speed checking mechanism, like Sryder talked about.
(Do objects - other than players - even have a line of sight? In every instance of chasing players that objects do, it has to do with A_Look. A_Look has a distance limit, though, and not a line of sight.)
* Slow it down, so you can try to run it out, or
* Try to script a speed checking mechanism, like Sryder talked about.
(Do objects - other than players - even have a line of sight? In every instance of chasing players that objects do, it has to do with A_Look. A_Look has a distance limit, though, and not a line of sight.)
Actually A_Look does have some kind of line of sight checking. You can use P_CheckSight in lua like it does to check it, as for how well it works though, I'm not sure. Checking whether something is in front of the object can be done with angles like A_Look does. The function you'll probably want is P_LookForPlayers honestly, that has a way to have a distance limit, line of sight checking, you can limit it to only looking ahead, and you can set it so the object has it's tracer set to the target, which is exactly what the ring needs.
Zwip-Zwap Zapony
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He means he set it to "if the player has 20 or more health", but forgot health 0 is dead, health 1 is 0 rings, health 2 is 1 ring, ... health 20 is 19 rings, etcetera.
This hasnt been updated for 2.1.15. I would assume it needs one
Thundder-senpai
Chuckle, there is Knuckles.
I don't know, dude. Wasn't Homing Ring removed for being... cheating?
It's not cheating at all, players are more than capable of outmaneuvering homing rings. As I recall, the original homing ring was removed because it was unstable and tended to crash the game- and because homing+rail was apparently overpowered (though I don't even remember that combo ever functioning, personally).
It was removed for being way too powerful as area denial. The grenade ring was its replacement, and then that was nerfed too for being as set and forget as it was.
To my knowledge very few if any official maps actually used the combo, but I can't imagine homing rail being anything other than a guaranteed hit.
GreenKnight9000
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Would love to see a one being made and just see people get shot right into the skybox-sphere
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