Mr.Logan
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Chemical Chateau is certainly a pretty map. You've done a very good job in terms of making a faithful take on it.
There's a few points of feedback I'd like to give from some small experience in netgames as well as drivearounds:
Also here's this stray missing texture I saw, small thing but it's there.
Looking forward to your future work nonetheless! This is quite promising.
There's a few points of feedback I'd like to give from some small experience in netgames as well as drivearounds:
The map's pillars are not solid for most of the level until the path split. Having the rule change on the player midway through the map when they thought they were safe on a corner doesn't feel good to drive on.
I'd personally say keep them all consistent, whether it's solid for visual consistency, or transparent so the walls can be flush.
I'd personally say keep them all consistent, whether it's solid for visual consistency, or transparent so the walls can be flush.
The map's directionals occasionally blend into the rest of the level, or are absent when they're honestly needed. Several of the turns in this level feel like they lack sufficient directioning, especially on siteread.
In a situation like this first screenshot, the chevrons work because it's a cool color against a warm background and relatively close to the play area. Not so much in this second screenshot; they're far away and the player's eyes are going to generally be on the road ahead. Once they're up at the turn, these are not within the main view.
Two examples of turns that I think could use arrows are below. The second of these feels like it'd help out a lot in particular.
I would say utilize Ark Arrows where necessary as well, especially for the u-turns.
In a situation like this first screenshot, the chevrons work because it's a cool color against a warm background and relatively close to the play area. Not so much in this second screenshot; they're far away and the player's eyes are going to generally be on the road ahead. Once they're up at the turn, these are not within the main view.
Two examples of turns that I think could use arrows are below. The second of these feels like it'd help out a lot in particular.
I would say utilize Ark Arrows where necessary as well, especially for the u-turns.
I think most of the shortcuts in the level are either too weak or not at the right position to make the best impact.
The early shortcuts in this level are next to each other; one is after a trick panel which already puts the player into a charge state or lets them Voltage Drop, so the amount of actual gain from it is marginal.
The next shortcut is in the middle of a cycle hazard - so a player can attempt it with a sneaker and get hurt, causing them to bounce off of the tripwire. I get the intent, but I think the shortcut should be away from the spikeballs.
There are two shortcuts at the end after the last item set - the first is so close to the first item set that the player often has to panic mash to get an item to use it, though it doesn't save a huge amount of time. The final shortcut is quite strong, however, and I don't really know if it needs to be present due to it being an end of lap shortcut.
There are no shortcuts present between the spikeballs and the final two near the end, and as a result the map is honestly pretty hard to play the catchup game (something that I think the original Toxic Palace had a problem with, IMO). I think the level could use some kind of shortcut midway to help players out, maybe skipping one of the u-turns?
The early shortcuts in this level are next to each other; one is after a trick panel which already puts the player into a charge state or lets them Voltage Drop, so the amount of actual gain from it is marginal.
The next shortcut is in the middle of a cycle hazard - so a player can attempt it with a sneaker and get hurt, causing them to bounce off of the tripwire. I get the intent, but I think the shortcut should be away from the spikeballs.
There are two shortcuts at the end after the last item set - the first is so close to the first item set that the player often has to panic mash to get an item to use it, though it doesn't save a huge amount of time. The final shortcut is quite strong, however, and I don't really know if it needs to be present due to it being an end of lap shortcut.
There are no shortcuts present between the spikeballs and the final two near the end, and as a result the map is honestly pretty hard to play the catchup game (something that I think the original Toxic Palace had a problem with, IMO). I think the level could use some kind of shortcut midway to help players out, maybe skipping one of the u-turns?
Also here's this stray missing texture I saw, small thing but it's there.
Looking forward to your future work nonetheless! This is quite promising.
Mr.Logan
loggers dude
Thanks for the feedback Gunla! I do think all of this information is valid, especially issues in regards to the latter half of the map. Im generally just thinking about redoing the final section of the map since that is the area with most of the issues described here as well as how it generally feels to play is kind of awful (at least in my opinion.) As for the issues with shortcuts, ive been work-shopping some ways to be able to alleviate those issues; ive been talking with some of the ripple realm crew to come up with solutions for shortcuts as well.
If theres any more feedback, feel free to let me know, im always available to discuss ways to improve!
Mr.Logan
loggers dude
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ne_gamer8623
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In Chemical Chateau, CPU players never trick correctly on the trick spring. In addition, CPU players may repeatedly attempt a tripwire cut at a certain part of the course without success.
In Iron Ruin, CPU players might pointlessly brake for a brief moment at the start of a lap, and there is a waypoint issue where a player at the second turn of the course may be considered as being at the very start of a lap (in terms of race progress).
In Eroding Eucalyptus, CPU players might attempt a spin dash on a certain part of a course when not necessary. In certain cases, a CPU might attempt for 10 seconds before respawning (1 second to come to a stop to attempt a spin dash, 5 seconds to attempt a spin dash while stopped, 4 seconds to attempt a Ring Shooter). (If this happens at -20 rings, it explodes before respawning)
In Iron Ruin, CPU players might pointlessly brake for a brief moment at the start of a lap, and there is a waypoint issue where a player at the second turn of the course may be considered as being at the very start of a lap (in terms of race progress).
In Eroding Eucalyptus, CPU players might attempt a spin dash on a certain part of a course when not necessary. In certain cases, a CPU might attempt for 10 seconds before respawning (1 second to come to a stop to attempt a spin dash, 5 seconds to attempt a spin dash while stopped, 4 seconds to attempt a Ring Shooter). (If this happens at -20 rings, it explodes before respawning)
evan_online
little guy extraordinaire
My one biggest point of critique is with Chemical Chateau - I really think there should really be Ark Arrows directing players at the 8-shaped hallway turn so they don't go the other way around and end up looping in circles. (So in this screenshot, a left arrow, but the other side should have a right arrow too)
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These maps are pretty rad. Especially like Iron Ruin, there's just something about it that activates my zen state.
I do have some visibility concerns though, and must second Evan's post above before getting into my own.
Iron Ruin: This shortcut kind of blends into the background behind it until you're far into the turn. Honestly this one is pretty minor but it does stand out to me.
Diesel Distillery: Blind turn. It's not too punishing to miss it and go straight ahead but I think an Ark Arrow or otherwise indicating the left turn at the top of this slope would be appreciated.
The scaffolding here obscures the turn ahead a little bit. Honestly this one is also probably pretty minor but I think it would not be harmful to put an Ark arrow or otherwise here.
This straight up blends into the mountains behind as they're both the same texture, obscuring the hole that's there. The rings are helpful but I think some contrast or a passthrough midtexture would help more.
Eroding Eucalyptus: I think it would be good to remove the midtexture in front of this shortcut, as it's somewhat obscured by it. Not as much of a problem with 2.4 tripwires but I could see someone missing there's a shortcut here on first play at least.
Sky Base 1: I had some people in my group not realize this shortcut was locked off on last lap until they were already getting into the off-road, I think it's best to completely obscure shortcuts if you're going to lock them off.
Media Studio 2: Honestly, this section is kind of a mess visually. A higher cam would help but failing that some arrows would be some direction at least.
A left arrow here would be appreciated.
I do have some visibility concerns though, and must second Evan's post above before getting into my own.
Iron Ruin: This shortcut kind of blends into the background behind it until you're far into the turn. Honestly this one is pretty minor but it does stand out to me.
Diesel Distillery: Blind turn. It's not too punishing to miss it and go straight ahead but I think an Ark Arrow or otherwise indicating the left turn at the top of this slope would be appreciated.
The scaffolding here obscures the turn ahead a little bit. Honestly this one is also probably pretty minor but I think it would not be harmful to put an Ark arrow or otherwise here.
This straight up blends into the mountains behind as they're both the same texture, obscuring the hole that's there. The rings are helpful but I think some contrast or a passthrough midtexture would help more.
Eroding Eucalyptus: I think it would be good to remove the midtexture in front of this shortcut, as it's somewhat obscured by it. Not as much of a problem with 2.4 tripwires but I could see someone missing there's a shortcut here on first play at least.
Sky Base 1: I had some people in my group not realize this shortcut was locked off on last lap until they were already getting into the off-road, I think it's best to completely obscure shortcuts if you're going to lock them off.
Media Studio 2: Honestly, this section is kind of a mess visually. A higher cam would help but failing that some arrows would be some direction at least.
A left arrow here would be appreciated.
Mr.Logan
loggers dude
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RedLilyQueen
they/she
this turn on crystalline scaffold could REALLY use an ark arrow.
good tracks though
good tracks though
ne_gamer8623
Member
Noticed that too.
So this applies to Scorched Sanctuary...
...Rainy Savannah...
...and Crystaline Scaffhold:
Last, the signpost direction at Path of Qimraunt is incorrect:
...Rainy Savannah...
...and Crystaline Scaffhold:
Last, the signpost direction at Path of Qimraunt is incorrect:
The second checkpoint at Crystaline Scaffhold may not trigger correctly.
Media Studio 2 has a respawn softlock bug if it occurs extremely close to the teleporter. Also, forced SPB may occur if 1st has hit the teleporter but 2nd has not yet (and even if it is the last lap).
Mr.Logan
loggers dude
Mr.Logan updated LOGMAPS with a new update entry:
V2.2, the "i love hotfixing things last minute update"!
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V2.2, the "i love hotfixing things last minute update"!
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Benji
Member
This patch didn't end up including the missing Spray Can Spawnpoint on Scorched Sanctuary. Not sure if that is intentional or not, but it would be preferred if there was one to chase.