The large majority of them simply have no redeeming value. I know there are that do have value, like Dr. Pepper's WADs, but even then, they hardly even interest me.
Should Character WADs be banned?
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They shouldn't be banned, IMO. I rarely use character WADs, because they rarely add something new to the game. If it has a really innovative SOC or something, then I use them occasionally, and sometimes I've used character WADs that have certain abilities to test stuff, but that's all. But even though I never use them, there's no reason they should be banned.
Dr.Pepper
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I thought the revamped Releases Section fixed this problem. :/ It was supposed to help with the flood of worthless WADs that you described, SonicMaster. Characters lacking any redeeming value or effort won't last long in Submissions.
As for lacking interest in character WADs, I kinda have to agree with you. I only make them because there are other characters from the Sonic universe that I just can't play SRB2 without. Custom character making, (to me anyway) is an open opportunity to make that happen, I won't be screwed without Blaze or Amy if I can help it.
I still don't think they should be gone entirely though, it wouldn't make much sense to just ban character WADs alone. There are quite a few poor quality levels and socs out there too, so why not be rid of them as well?
As for lacking interest in character WADs, I kinda have to agree with you. I only make them because there are other characters from the Sonic universe that I just can't play SRB2 without. Custom character making, (to me anyway) is an open opportunity to make that happen, I won't be screwed without Blaze or Amy if I can help it.
I still don't think they should be gone entirely though, it wouldn't make much sense to just ban character WADs alone. There are quite a few poor quality levels and socs out there too, so why not be rid of them as well?
The main problem here is the old releases, not the new ones. People are constantly adding old shovelware such as SMS that nobody really wants to
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A solution I see is to break old character wads in 1.1, not something massive, just something that will mean old releases would have to be re-released, and since they wouldn't be accepted they would pretty much cease to exist. Something simple would do, so that the good stuff can easily be fixed up to work in 1.1.
So, pretty much, it's not a matter of banning them, just removing the old crap from play.
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A solution I see is to break old character wads in 1.1, not something massive, just something that will mean old releases would have to be re-released, and since they wouldn't be accepted they would pretty much cease to exist. Something simple would do, so that the good stuff can easily be fixed up to work in 1.1.
So, pretty much, it's not a matter of banning them, just removing the old crap from play.
Not so supervirus
I hate this username.
they shouldnt ban character WADS, i mean sure, they are just a bunch of diffrent characters with diffrent ability's like sonic, knuckles, and tails, but the WAD's add some extra creativity.
Gemini Spark
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Whoa, where did you come from? Ah, who cares... wb.
I don't think the master server should be so restrictive at all. If a server has a billion wads loaded, just host your own. That'd please the both sides of the character spectrum.
It would be better to ban servers that think it's a good idea to host a million wads and not even enable maxsend. Nobody wants that.
It would be better to ban servers that think it's a good idea to host a million wads and not even enable maxsend. Nobody wants that.
Blue Warrior said:
Sometimes I join the ones that do enable maxsend just to annoy them, it lags them down to hell and back. =P
It would be nice not to be restrictive, but there are too many instances of shitty hangout and RP servers, you have not seen the report list, there are a lot of them, trust me. :(
By banning them, it means the good servers get a chance to actually get a few joiners.
glaber said:
Not really, I doubt they have recolour after recolour... :(
fawfulfan said:
Give one example where the gameplay is drastically changed so much that it can compare to the gameplay changes resulting from an interesting and innovative level design.
Monochrome
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Hm...Well, Cue, I HAVE Roleplayed myself, but also actually playing the game. I mean, well, it's pretty much roleplay, but also completing levels and such.
As for client downloading, I usually do it to download rare wads, which are mostly recolors/old. Take SABlaster.wad. It's a supershadow.wad recolour, with run and skim on water, maxspeed multi-homing-thok (which is already cheap on its own), and a lame as hell backstory.
Me and Torgo had problems with a 301.6KB amyrose.wad, but lucky me, I managed to client download it.
Not so supervirus: You have a point there.
Oh, and SMS is pretty common, actually. I rarely use SMS though. I usually stick to the good ol' SRB2 Sonic.
As for FawfulFan...Well, yeah, what Cue said on IRC:
As for client downloading, I usually do it to download rare wads, which are mostly recolors/old. Take SABlaster.wad. It's a supershadow.wad recolour, with run and skim on water, maxspeed multi-homing-thok (which is already cheap on its own), and a lame as hell backstory.
Me and Torgo had problems with a 301.6KB amyrose.wad, but lucky me, I managed to client download it.
Not so supervirus: You have a point there.
Oh, and SMS is pretty common, actually. I rarely use SMS though. I usually stick to the good ol' SRB2 Sonic.
As for FawfulFan...Well, yeah, what Cue said on IRC:
Well, here's the issue. Character WADs may not feel original, but a good one can LOOK original, and the speed physics can be different. I'll admit there aren't enough abilities (hint hint, 1.1 designers!), but wouldn't it be kind of dull to only have Sonic, Tails, and Knux in various colors?
It might make it a bit harder to set up a netgame, but, the way I see it, that fact simply gives you an incentive to use better character WADs. I mean, the better a character is, the more popular it tends to be, doesn't it? So more people would have it, and more people could play on your netgame. Those stupid enough to use unpopular WADs will have a hard time setting up the netgame, and those who play it safe with characters like Dr. Pepper's Blaze or Amy will be rewarded with more netgame opportunities.
One more thing: shouldn't this topic have gone in the War Room?
It might make it a bit harder to set up a netgame, but, the way I see it, that fact simply gives you an incentive to use better character WADs. I mean, the better a character is, the more popular it tends to be, doesn't it? So more people would have it, and more people could play on your netgame. Those stupid enough to use unpopular WADs will have a hard time setting up the netgame, and those who play it safe with characters like Dr. Pepper's Blaze or Amy will be rewarded with more netgame opportunities.
One more thing: shouldn't this topic have gone in the War Room?
Cue said:
That's essentially the main problem with character wads. A lot of the people are focused on making the character look good to make up for the lack of gameplay difference, but it is possible to make an innovative character that changes how the level is played. Just play as Senya and you might play with those ice cubes a lot.
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