Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood
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Chaos Knux
Daww, a mother and her foal
Rerun of that episode just ran, and I kept count of it this time. It takes 10 total destructions back-to-back to kill a homunculous for good.
TrueTenguMan
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Because most people have not seen this yet or rather, have not gotten to episode "x" yet...
I dunno, it's not like it's a spoiler that Al's trying to get his body back. In fact, it's pretty much the entire premise of the plot, or at the very least, what gets the ball rolling.
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I'm going to give my best assumption as to what the current FMA Brotherhood storyline is.
Edward and Alphonse Elric tried human transmutation after their mother passed on, and, as most FMA-er's know, that is a big no-no. Ed loses his right arm and left leg, while Al loses his whole body. Ed is able to transmute a metallic "armour" body for Alphonse, and they go on a journey to get Al's body back, using a Philosipher's Stone. The rest might be considered spoilers at some point for some, so they will be in spoiler tags.
That is as far as the dubs on Adult Swim have gone. Excuse some of the key points missing, I had to strain not to go to wikipedia and use my FMA:B knowledge.
Edward and Alphonse Elric tried human transmutation after their mother passed on, and, as most FMA-er's know, that is a big no-no. Ed loses his right arm and left leg, while Al loses his whole body. Ed is able to transmute a metallic "armour" body for Alphonse, and they go on a journey to get Al's body back, using a Philosipher's Stone. The rest might be considered spoilers at some point for some, so they will be in spoiler tags.
The brothers find out that there might be information about philosipher stones at the 5th Laboratory, and go to learn, only to meet near deaths and the laboratory being burned down. While there, Alphonse becomes aware that he might not be Ed's actual brother, but just a soul he created of rhis own personal uses, though this is resolved later in the story. The brothers then travel to their friend Winry's residence to get their automail fixed, and before leaving, they burn their former house down, as a representative of "not turning back". The Brothers travel to their old teacher's house to learn more about the Stones, Alphonse is kidnapped by Greed the Hommunculous and rescued, and they Elric brothers learn that their teacher tried transmutating her son, thus losing body organs in the process. After a few episodes, involving fights and the eventual destruction of another Homunculous, Edward learns that what he and Al transmuted wasn't in fact their mother, and both Al and their teacher are relieved that they didn't harm human souls.
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You have a few points mixed up.
That's everything up to episode 20, in the order it happens.
The house-burning down happened WELL before most of the events in the plot.
They visited Winry for maintenance after Scar's attack on them; after the 5th Lab, she comes to visit them, since Ed's hospitalized at the time (and she feels guilty over botching the former repair, forgetting a missing screw).
They go to Dublith to see if their teacher knows anything about how they can get their bodies back, and then learn she transmuted her dead baby son. Then Greed gets involved, only to be found out by King Bradley, the homunculus Wrath (though I'm not entirely sure how he learned of the Devil's Nest outside of deus ex machina, but whatever).
Then they meet Ling and his body guards Lan Fan and Fu. They travel back to Central to learn of Maes Hughes' murder, and mope around a while until Maria Ross is convicted, without a trial, of said murder. Ed acts as witness to her "death" at Roy Mustang's hands. The two get split up at Mustang's orders, letting Ed learn that Maria Ross lives; she and Fu leave the plot for a good while. Al winds up involved in Roy's investigation into the homunculi, which culminates in Lust's death and Jean Havoc's paraplegia. Ed meets his father, Van Hohenheim, who in his vast wisdom (even if he hides it behind a somewhat dopey demeanor - one that didn't really carry over to the anime until later on) sparks Ed's investigation into whether human transmutation of dead beings is even possible, which, in the end, proves to be negative - it can't be done. However, since Ed was able to pull Al's soul from the Truth, he suddenly realizes that this mean's Al's body must also still be alive, and thus it must be possible to bring him back.
They visited Winry for maintenance after Scar's attack on them; after the 5th Lab, she comes to visit them, since Ed's hospitalized at the time (and she feels guilty over botching the former repair, forgetting a missing screw).
They go to Dublith to see if their teacher knows anything about how they can get their bodies back, and then learn she transmuted her dead baby son. Then Greed gets involved, only to be found out by King Bradley, the homunculus Wrath (though I'm not entirely sure how he learned of the Devil's Nest outside of deus ex machina, but whatever).
Then they meet Ling and his body guards Lan Fan and Fu. They travel back to Central to learn of Maes Hughes' murder, and mope around a while until Maria Ross is convicted, without a trial, of said murder. Ed acts as witness to her "death" at Roy Mustang's hands. The two get split up at Mustang's orders, letting Ed learn that Maria Ross lives; she and Fu leave the plot for a good while. Al winds up involved in Roy's investigation into the homunculi, which culminates in Lust's death and Jean Havoc's paraplegia. Ed meets his father, Van Hohenheim, who in his vast wisdom (even if he hides it behind a somewhat dopey demeanor - one that didn't really carry over to the anime until later on) sparks Ed's investigation into whether human transmutation of dead beings is even possible, which, in the end, proves to be negative - it can't be done. However, since Ed was able to pull Al's soul from the Truth, he suddenly realizes that this mean's Al's body must also still be alive, and thus it must be possible to bring him back.
January 9th at 1AM, gentlemen.
Just as an aside, don't expect much until January 16th. Episode 27 was a recap episode. Which isn't too bad, considering the five-month hiatus; I'd imagine a few of you need a refresher, especially if you haven't been watching the reruns. (And if you weren't, don't bother now; they're really early on in the series and will jump to about halfway in once the new episodes start up. Which would be a bit jarring, to put it mildly.)
Just as an aside, don't expect much until January 16th. Episode 27 was a recap episode. Which isn't too bad, considering the five-month hiatus; I'd imagine a few of you need a refresher, especially if you haven't been watching the reruns. (And if you weren't, don't bother now; they're really early on in the series and will jump to about halfway in once the new episodes start up. Which would be a bit jarring, to put it mildly.)
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ThunderNova
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I was thinking that maybe they pulled that "Restart the series" thing as almost a series end, since the last episode they aired was a big cliffhanger, and the "third season" (and by that I mean third opening sequence) starts in the next episode.
So I finally got to see the recap.
Epileptic trees aside, I'm really looking forward to seeing the conclusion of the outstanding cliffhanger.
I have a feeling I've forgotten somebody. Where did I last see Scar?
Hohhenheim's depiction raises a bunch of questions, both in the new opening and in this episode. I suppose I don't mind saying now that before I ever saw either Hohhenheim or Father, I suspected that they were one and the same. When I saw that the Father is depicted more as a "The Dark Lord on his throne" while Hohhenheim appears to be wandering, I decided not to pursue that one theory. However, I didn't rule out all of my suspicions.
The new opening blatantly shows that Hohhenheim looks identical to Father, except perhaps younger. This episode also implies that he is not human, and that he has either a doppelganger or a dark side. (Since this is a dream, I'm thinking the latter) I don't expect the show's going to reveal much more about this any time soon but I do expect it to be important. I am however certain that Hohhenheim is closer to Father than the show had implied in the first two seasons.
The new opening blatantly shows that Hohhenheim looks identical to Father, except perhaps younger. This episode also implies that he is not human, and that he has either a doppelganger or a dark side. (Since this is a dream, I'm thinking the latter) I don't expect the show's going to reveal much more about this any time soon but I do expect it to be important. I am however certain that Hohhenheim is closer to Father than the show had implied in the first two seasons.
Epileptic trees aside, I'm really looking forward to seeing the conclusion of the outstanding cliffhanger.
Although I expect that Ed and Al are simply allowed to leave because of something like "the plan's not ready and there's nothing they can do to stop it anyway" and Mustang's band is mostly intact except with higher stakes. I don't expect any major characters to die just yet. That said, I think Hawkeye's (I think that's her name) days are numbered and they have been since season 2. Its just a matter of when it would be most dramatic to kill her.
I have a feeling I've forgotten somebody. Where did I last see Scar?
He and May were looking for Xiao-Mei, May's panda. They found her with Al, but Al was with Gluttony (heading to Father to see how they can get Edward back from his belly), which Scar found extremely suspicious. They're presently following the three from a distance, having to put up with Father's chimera "gatekeepers".
ThunderNova
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Spoiler time.
This is as far as the dub has either gone, or will get to this Saturday (if it wasn't aired in the latest hour on Adult Swim Saturday Anime blocks).
When Gluttony and Alphonse meet Father, Ed, Ling, and Envy return from the Transmutation portal Ed made. Ed and accuses Father of being Hohenheim, which he responds to by saying "Have you mistaken me for someone else?" (in the dub). Father looks over the three (Al, Ed and Ling), then decides that Ling will become the new Greed, which shockingly Ling agrees to (he wants to learn about immortality, and becoming a Homuncoulus provides it for the most part). A big fight then breaks out, with Ed fighting Ling/Greed, Alphonse fighting Envy(?), Scar attempting to fight Father, and May trying to escape from Gluttony. Al tries to help May escape, and ends up hiding her in his armour to protect her, Father lets Ed and Alphonse go (with Envy leading them to Bradley), And Scar stays to finish off the Chimera gatekeepers. Ed and Al take showers (this is where we learn that May is in Al's armour, when he encourages Ed to put his clothes on before she wakes up), then meet up with Fuhrer Bradley, or "Wrath", along with Mustang.
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Yeah, that's this coming weekend.
I missed this week's episode, so I caught the dub online and at the same time got to see the extended openings for both season 2 and season 3. I mistook the Crimson Alchemist for Ling at first, I wonder if he's supposed to be important because he ended up in this week's episode.
This week had some pretty good stuff, once again going back to the Ishvalan war but taking a closer look at Roy, Hawkeye, and Hughes. This episode also increases Hawkeye's importance. I still don't think she'll survive the series because of how close she is to Roy, since he's no longer the sole reason she's important, she'll probably last until late in the series.
I hope we see more of May. She seems to be able to pull off some pretty good stuff, besides her practice of alkahestry probably means she'll be important later on.
As for the return episodes:
As for father:
Overthinking things much?
This week had some pretty good stuff, once again going back to the Ishvalan war but taking a closer look at Roy, Hawkeye, and Hughes. This episode also increases Hawkeye's importance. I still don't think she'll survive the series because of how close she is to Roy, since he's no longer the sole reason she's important, she'll probably last until late in the series.
I hope we see more of May. She seems to be able to pull off some pretty good stuff, besides her practice of alkahestry probably means she'll be important later on.
As for the return episodes:
Not at all surprised by the resolution there, but I didn't expect to see Ling be turned into the vessel for Greed. The show made it clear that Ling thinks he can overcome Greed and then take advantage of the power to rule his people and he apparently can jump in from time to time. Meanwhile, the new Greed's character is rather cool, he's got that card-carrying villain aspect of him which I prefer to Envy's obnoxiousness or Gluttony's childlike behavior.
As for father:
I knew he'd be related to Hohhenheim. There's clearly some very strong connection between the two, for now I probably could simplify it and call them brothers (pretty sure its more complex than that though). I don't know how Truth fits into this but I suspect Father is the god of alchemy whose condescension leads him to do his own dirty work. Hohhenheim seems to have just a little more faith in humans, his relation to Father would probably make his children something like the chosen ones which would fit all the requisite tropes for an overarching story with a supernatural villain.
Alkahestry probably has its own god, which isn't Hohhenheim because he's already associated with Alchemy and he seemed to notice the effect when Father withdrew the power of Alchemy from Amestris for a short period of time. He's probably the Ishvalan god, and they are probably both related to Truth. While Truth remains withdrawn, these demigods get involved in this conflict. We haven't seen much about Alkahestry so I'm not sure what guesses to make about that god except that at one point in time, the god of alchemy and of alkahestry must have been united based on the evidence from that one city that I can't remember the name of.
Alkahestry probably has its own god, which isn't Hohhenheim because he's already associated with Alchemy and he seemed to notice the effect when Father withdrew the power of Alchemy from Amestris for a short period of time. He's probably the Ishvalan god, and they are probably both related to Truth. While Truth remains withdrawn, these demigods get involved in this conflict. We haven't seen much about Alkahestry so I'm not sure what guesses to make about that god except that at one point in time, the god of alchemy and of alkahestry must have been united based on the evidence from that one city that I can't remember the name of.
Overthinking things much?
ThunderNova
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Just to clear it up, Honhenheim and Father are related in this way:
Father uses a copy of Hohenheim's body. They are in no way related besides that.
Sure! But it's fun to overthink things.
Of course, I'm not going to tell you if you're right or wrong, so...
Actually, Father/Dwarf-in-the-Flask "Homunculus" was borne of Hohenheim's blood, so they're technically very related.
As long as I'm in a spoiler box, reading about JEV's absolute certainty that Hawkeye dies leaves me tempted to give him this screenshot from episode 58 entirely out-of-context. :P
As long as I'm in a spoiler box, reading about JEV's absolute certainty that Hawkeye dies leaves me tempted to give him this screenshot from episode 58 entirely out-of-context. :P
ThunderNova
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Technically yes, but just because that blood was used doesn't necessarily mean they're related. In terms of having similar blood yes, but other than that there is no connection. If Father was an actual human, and not just a Human-esque being using Hohenheim's body and blood, it would be different, but in a way, they aren't related.
Basically what I'm saying is that they can or can't be related, based on how you think about the subject.
Basically what I'm saying is that they can or can't be related, based on how you think about the subject.
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