Uninspired mods nowadays?

amperbee said:

I'm not sure what your main issue with mods is. Some of these are pretty "creative" in that they take existing work to make something new.
Or I guess in the side of Takis, making an Antonblast out of a doodle of Tails. Which I'd say is pretty creative on itself, even more when you consider the inner machinations of the mod (the scripts in there have to be massive and/or unreadable. impressive )


A few critical differences between making a modification for a game and making a nationwide healthcare system is that you can learn to make a game modification in a few days through investigating how the game works and how to interpret and write in a scripting language of your choice, while a healthcare system requires money and support and years of planning to give everyone in your nation free medical assistance, only to find out a few days later that it will cost you millions to sustain it. Or so I've been told.

You are told to make a mod so you can understand the potential struggles a would-be mod maker has to get into, like knowledge required to do things and why they take time and why they often use something that already exists as a base.


You're naming specific mods in your original post, and using them as explicit examples of what you find as, and I quote, "bunch of really poorly typed sonic/tails remakes" and "low-effort remakes".
You're also stating "It just really bothers me how the page nowadays is lacking creativity".
You're also contrasting these examples by saying that "I think the last REALLY GOOD new mod was like, the chaotix."

You are attacking these mods.

There are way better ways to say that you find some mods to lack creative spark without going on a rant where you bash a bunch of mods as "not creative".

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I am NOT attacking them. The only thing i said was that their mods lacked creativity in my eyes, and the last good mod that i remember seeing (of which i havent played in LITERAL MONTHS) was the chaotix. I am not attacking these mods. I am merely saying my opinion. I don't know why you're insisting on my offensive nature, as if i havent been extremely nice in the comments and actively discouraged harassment in my post, (as is quoted, you can find it.)

I'm allowed to dislike mods for whatever reason i please, and if i was actually trying to harm any of the creators, i would've ripped into why i really disliked the mods and i wouldve essentially insulted the mods asides from "I think they're lacking the effort of the older mods" and that I personally like mods that take a more creative spin.

Is it so wrong that i simply don't like certain mods? Am i not allowed to state the mods that i dislike? Am i a bad guy for trying to express my point? Am i the offender for giving examples of what i dislike? The answer to all of those is No. Stop putting words in my mouth. I have never been, nor never will be attacking any mods here ever, because i greatly value this game's community. You can see how much i care because I'm actively engaging with this post, including the slightly rude comments, and i'm actually considering the thoughts of overs.

rant over :D

luigi budd said:

Thank you for playing takis, I really appreciate it. I do agree with you that there really isn't much creativity in Takis, his whole thing is basically copying Antonblast for crying out loud, creativity isnt necessarily my strong suit, as my other character is based somewhat off of Sonic. I respect your argument.

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You can't just say "with all due respect" and then say whatever you want afterwards in a real conversation. It doesn't work that way. Your actual words on the subject determine what you mean. You called them "low-quality" DIRECTLY!!! That's attacking!! "Not interesting." And yes, you did indeed imply with this entire post that you "So, i expected to see some really cool things. I look at the modding page, and its just a bunch of really poorly typed sonic/tails remakes." You literally expected something really great from the modding community and when you don't get what you want you came into the discussion forum and complained about it.

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How do you expect me to describe them? I'm not going to dance around the subject. It's criticism, not an attack. If i was trying to attack them, then i would've actually insulted them beyond "Low quality and Uncreative". Theres not many ways to talk about what i am in the most respectable manner that doesen't offend anyone.

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What i actually said was "I can't really see the creativity in some of these mods", and "I don't like the amount of low quality mods". I'm not even really complaining, i'm just trying to see if this is just a "Me issue" or something beyond that.

BlitzGG said:

I am NOT attacking them. The only thing i said was that their mods lacked creativity in my eyes

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Actually, you're right. You're not "attacking" the mods. To attack implies fierce action, the which you aren't exactly doing here.
A more correct term would be "insulting" them.

BlitzGG said:

i would've ripped into why i really disliked the mods

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That would be preferred over just saying they're low effort.
At least one can derive a meaning out of a long winded explanation about your dislike for it, but a surface "don't like it" is useless and impossible to parse.

BlitzGG said:

Is it so wrong that i simply don't like certain mods? Am i not allowed to state the mods that i dislike? Am i a bad guy for trying to express my point? Am i the offender for giving examples of what i dislike?

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It isn't wrong to state you don't like some mods, and it is expected of you to express and elaborate your point.
It isn't wrong to make an example with specific mods, but you are very much expected to be reasonable and civil about it.

What you decided to do here is call a set of mods low effort repeatedly, then made an example of something you like with a mod of a different caliber (one with a team of veteran programmers or artists, mind you).
Then you called all mods low-quality again.

Again, there are better ways that doesn't involve calling them low effort just like that, like for example explaining *why* do you feel that way. It couldn't possibly be just because the character is based off a doodle of an existing sprite, right?
What makes you think these mods are, quoting you, "uninspired", "bland", "low quality"...? What makes something "original"?

BlitzGG said:

Stop putting words in my mouth

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I am quite literally quoting what you've said.

BlitzGG said:

Wh

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Consider making a COMPLETE reply post instead of posting individual replies to every individual post.
This isn't a chatroom, you've got time to sort out your thoughts and formatting problems.

Click and dragging on a chunk of text will bring up a "Quote" prompt. Clicking it will add quoted text at the position of the text cursor.

amperbee said:

Actually, you're right. You're not "attacking" the mods. To attack implies fierce action, the which you aren't exactly doing here.
A more correct term would be "insulting" them.


That would be preferred over just saying they're low effort.
At least one can derive a meaning out of a long winded explanation about your dislike for it, but a surface "don't like it" is useless and impossible to parse.


It isn't wrong to state you don't like some mods, and it is expected of you to express and elaborate your point.
It isn't wrong to make an example with specific mods, but you are very much expected to be reasonable and civil about it.

What you decided to do here is call a set of mods low effort repeatedly, then made an example of something you like with a mod of a different caliber (one with a team of veteran programmers or artists, mind you).
Then you called all mods low-quality again.

Again, there are better ways that doesn't involve calling them low effort just like that, like for example explaining *why* do you feel that way. It couldn't possibly be just because the character is based off a doodle of an existing sprite, right?
What makes you think these mods are, quoting you, "uninspired", "bland", "low quality"...? What makes something "original"?


I am quite literally quoting what you've said.

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This isn't a chatroom, you've got time to sort out your thoughts and formatting problems.

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Jeez, i didnt even see the typo, relax dude.

im gonna go through these one by one.

I'm saying that i dont like the joke mods like Takis, Sunky, ect. I'm allowed to express why i dont like something.

There isnt really a way to describe how im feeling without it coming off as a bit rude, which is why i specifically made a disclaimer about how i feel about the mods at the START OF THE RANT. Maybe if you stopped cherrypicking and read what i said, you'd realize that i'm really not trying to hurt anyone and merely stating my opinion

How was i uncivil about stating what mods i disliked? Could you give me an example of how i could've done that? What, do you want me to glaze the creators like: "I personally dont like this mod, but it was made by a LOVING heart and a COMPASSIONATE team who put their HEART and SOUL into this whole mod.." Like, no dude, i'm not here to sugercoat.

I really don't even have to try and be polite with how i handled my emotions and takes, but i went out of my way to make sure that anyone who came upon this thread realized that it wasnt made with malicious intent. Look at my comments and you can see how i reacted to everyone's opinions. Would someone whos trying to insult mod creators really go out of their way to respond to EVERY SINGLE comment i could find, and also talk to one of the developers of the mods that i dont like, and find peace with it?

I compared the Jason mod to these because it's an example of me liking a mod that isn't super high quality, which is what people have claimed i've done.

I also don't need to go super in-depth as to why i dislike a mod. I can just say "I dont like it because of X and Y", and if i really went off with some of the mods and said what i was truly thinking, then you would still be here, angrily typing up messages in this forum. I'm not here to explain why i feel a specific way about mods, i'm just here to point out something i disliked in the community.

And lastly..
"What makes something "original"?
Seriously?
Can you really look at all of the sonic and tails mods that i listed and say that they're completely original?
I'm not even looking for OC's, I literally mentioned the Tyson Hesse mod, which isn't entirely original. But it's different, it's unique. It's a character who has flaws, but is still original because there isnt any mod truly like it. Sure, Tales is technically an original character, but it's not really that unique, and can be summarized as "Tails drawn in MS Paint". And before you say "Oh, thats the joke" or "Oh, thats why it's a great mod!", the humor of a mod is really subjective.

One more thing about this
"I am quite literally quoting what you've said."
When did i bash a bunch of mods? All i did was merely give examples as to what my point is.
When did i ever say that the script needs to be "Unreadable" or complex? Jason is a very simple character with a spin and one main mechanic. I like simplicity. I just want CREATIVITY and UNIQUE MODS.

amperbee said:

Actually, you're right. You're not "attacking" the mods. To attack implies fierce action, the which you aren't exactly doing here.
A more correct term would be "insulting" them.


That would be preferred over just saying they're low effort.
At least one can derive a meaning out of a long winded explanation about your dislike for it, but a surface "don't like it" is useless and impossible to parse.


It isn't wrong to state you don't like some mods, and it is expected of you to express and elaborate your point.
It isn't wrong to make an example with specific mods, but you are very much expected to be reasonable and civil about it.

What you decided to do here is call a set of mods low effort repeatedly, then made an example of something you like with a mod of a different caliber (one with a team of veteran programmers or artists, mind you).
Then you called all mods low-quality again.

Again, there are better ways that doesn't involve calling them low effort just like that, like for example explaining *why* do you feel that way. It couldn't possibly be just because the character is based off a doodle of an existing sprite, right?
What makes you think these mods are, quoting you, "uninspired", "bland", "low quality"...? What makes something "original"?


I am quite literally quoting what you've said.

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Oh, and one more thing that i forgot to mention from your last post
I know how it feels to create modifications of games. I'm currently in the middle of making a Pokemon game, and a YOMI hustle mod/fangame all by myself, with very few outside help.

Next time you try to invalidate someone over their 'Inexperience', make sure you actually know the person first. I've spent over 400 hours making a pokemon game, and multiple nights trying to understand Godot engine. The reason why i push for more creative mods is because i know how worth it it feels to create something truly unique and special.

BlitzGG said:

There isnt really a way to describe how im feeling without it coming off as a bit rude

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I mean..... you can, you just aren't.

BlitzGG said:

START OF THE RANT.

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BlitzGG said:

"I personally dont like this mod, but it was made by a LOVING heart and a COMPASSIONATE team who put their HEART and SOUL into this whole mod.."

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BlitzGG said:

CREATIVITY and UNIQUE MODS.

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Dude, you don't need to use CAPS, you can use bold text.

BlitzGG said:

I'm saying that i dont like the joke mods like Takis, Sunky, ect.

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Takis isn't a "joke mod" mind you. I put actual time, love, and effort and didn't throw it together shittly like actual joke mods.

luigi budd said:

Takis isn't a "joke mod" mind you. I put actual time, love, and effort and didn't throw it together shittly like actual joke mods.

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Im sorry, that's my bad. I guess it's a lot more nice to call them "Humor based"?
Sorry, thanks for letting me know lol

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BlitzGG said:

Jeez, i didnt even see the typo, relax dude.

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what typo???
i assume this response is because i quoted the letters "Wh" and told you about using the quote feature?
that was just me telling you that you can make a big post instead of many smaller posts, that's it

amperbee said:

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you are allowed, but just giving mods a few adjectives without the "why" part of it tends to come out as rude.


There are many ways to describe how you're feeling without coming off as rude. Overexplaining is one of them.
Sometimes rudeness can't be avoided. You know exactly how a work makes you feel, so it's just a matter of owning up to it.
You can totally take your time and sort that part out, like you're writing an actual review.

Besides how am I cherrypicking about that? You can say you aren't doing a thing before promptly doing the thing, be it by accident or intentionally.


I have, twice. have the same example again:

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no explanation, you just go off saying they're poorly typed and low effort. personally, that's uncivil.
not because you're negative, but because you're negative for no reason.

Just because the meaning of my replies get lost, allow me to give emphasis about the part where I find it rude to not explain why you like or don't like a thing. At best it is useless, at worst it is disruptive, and it doesn't help the author nor anybody reading your comment. See below.


No?
I'm saying that instead of "I think Coolsville sucks!", you could go "I find that Coolsville's streets are unclean and the pavement is stupid rough for automobiles. Not to mention every building within my line of sight is covered in grime".
One is non-descriptive, the other explains why it sucks.

Besides, you're not sugarcoating in your example there; you're going on a completely different tangent by praising the author for no reason.
To sugarcoat would be to take a rough point you're making, like "SPIKES ARE UNIMAGINATIVE" and spinning it in a more acceptable way like "Games are using way too many spikes lately!". At least that gives something to go off.


You should. Authors get feedback that way, so they can either tweak it to be more accessible, or to ignore it if it turns out it's just not your playstyle. Or something in between.


You can, but if you just lay down X and Y without elaborating what do you mean by X and Y you're going to get pressed for more information.

If you said what you were truly thinking, I wouldn't be here pressing you for information and telling you why not being elaborative is a bad idea.


If you point out something in public, you will get people that will attempt to agree with you, understand you or contradict you.
This isn't an echo chamber for people to simply say "yes" or "no", this is a board with people that can and will elaborate on those binary answers.


they're new takes on them, so yeah?


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refer above to why i find it as "bashing". or, well, "insulting".


you didn't.

i was describing why i found takis creative after you said it (and the other example mods you grouped together) wasn't


i didn't invalidate anyone though.

i was telling you why i find the "make a mod yourself" argument still useful, mainly against inexperienced people that don't seem to understand why mods aren't easy to make.
clearly you have some experience with modding, so you should understand full well why bad feedback is useless.

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what typo???
i assume this response is because i quoted the letters "Wh" and told you about using the quote feature?
that was just me telling you that you can make a big post instead of many smaller posts, that's it

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No?
I'm saying that instead of "I think Coolsville sucks!", you could go "I find that Coolsville's streets are unclean and the pavement is stupid rough for automobiles. Not to mention every building within my line of sight is covered in grime".
One is non-descriptive, the other explains why it sucks.
That is.. Literally what i did. "I find that the recolors and poorly drawn characters aren't creative and I think that theres too many of them."

you are allowed, but just giving mods a few adjectives without the "why" part of it tends to come out as rude.

I did say why, as stated above. Also, read what i said about "No harm towards any of the creators"
There are many ways to describe how you're feeling without coming off as rude. Overexplaining is one of them.
Sometimes rudeness can't be avoided. You know exactly how a work makes you feel, so it's just a matter of owning up to it.
You can totally take your time and sort that part out, like you're writing an actual review.
Why am i expected to elaborate on every little detail that i'm expressing? What part of "I think that they're uncreative, and i dont like the poorly made reskins of the characters because i find them lazy" isn't clear enough for you?

Besides, you're not sugarcoating in your example there; you're going on a completely different tangent by praising the author for no reason.
To sugarcoat would be to take a rough point you're making, like "SPIKES ARE UNIMAGINATIVE" and spinning it in a more acceptable way like "Games are using way too many spikes lately!". At least that gives something to go off.
My point was that you can't expect me to dance around how i truly feel about these mods. My opinion is that they're uncreative, and i don't have to change anything with it. If i don't like something, i'm not going to dolly around and try to make it as least offensive as possible. The most valuable criticism is the kind that doesen't dance around the real topic. Frankly, these mods are pretty uncreative, and thats a pretty valid point.

no explanation, you just go off saying they're poorly typed and low effort. personally, that's uncivil.
not because you're negative, but because you're negative for no reason.

Just because the meaning of my replies get lost, allow me to give emphasis about the part where I find it rude to not explain why you like or don't like a thing. At best it is useless, at worst it is disruptive, and it doesn't help the author nor anybody reading your comment. See below.

What more explaination do i really need? If you look at the names of the mods ive sent, you can understand why it's possible to view them as low quality or uninspired. Look at the attachment i sent as an example. (No offense to you banderr, but this was the first mod that popped up lol). As you can see, it's simply just "Genderswap of Sunek". I already cited my references, what more do you really need?

You should. Authors get feedback that way, so they can either tweak it to be more accessible, or to ignore it if it turns out it's just not your playstyle. Or something in between.
Ive already explained my view. I said they were uncreative, and uninspired. That's enough for someone to realize my point and understand what i and possibly others dont like about their mod.

refer above to why i find it as "bashing". or, well, "insulting".
I don't understand how you could POSSIBLY keep referring back to my original post while ignoring what I posted above. And even if you still refuse to take that into account, I not only said "Take what i'm saying in the kindest way possible, i really do love Srb2's modding community", and my whole ending message that im not gonna type again. If you read those, then maybe you wouldn't be offended over the imaginary feelings of these creators. PS: If any creators of the mods i stated actually have a problem with my post, then i'll clear it up at any time. You don't need to defend people who most likely don't even have a problem to begin with.

i was telling you why i find the "make a mod yourself" argument still useful, mainly against inexperienced people that don't seem to understand why mods aren't easy to make.
clearly you have some experience with modding, so you should understand full well why bad feedback is useless.

Except it isn't bad feedback. I clearly stated my opinion, and clearly stated what was wrong with the mod in my eyes. Hell, even if i had literally just said "The sprites are ugly", it wouldve gotten the point across. All advice is advice, included the toxic advice. Even "bad advice" still has some truth to it. Not everyone is required to have an in-depth analysis of why they dont like something, especially when it comes to something that you consume like mods.
Imagine being a chef and asking someone to give a more in-depth analysis of why they dont like their food?

I probably didnt respond to everything you said, but it's a lot lmao

“How do you expect me to describe them? I'm not going to dance around the subject. It's criticism, not an attack. If i was trying to attack them, then i would've actually insulted them beyond "Low quality and Uncreative". Theres not many ways to talk about what i am in the most respectable manner that doesen't offend anyone.” you actual tard going deeper is constructive criticism. Shallowly calling them low effort and saying you’re disappointed is literally attacking (or insulting) them with no criticism, it’s just hating on them for shits and giggles. Your entire argument this whole time has been to deflect real criticism to your original post and your follow-up ones. You have clearly not taken anything anyone has said into consideration other than “how do I argue against this”, and you need to actually stop, read, compare those arguments to yours and come to the correct, logical conclusion, That you are WRONG. You have contradicted yourself so much and whenever told you’re attacking mods you just say “no I’m not I just blah blah blah blah” like a broken record. And you just keep going and going contradicting yourself with every move. Your argument is getting worse with every post you write. It’s actually infuriating reading your posts because of how ignorant you are.

Avalice said:

“How do you expect me to describe them? I'm not going to dance around the subject. It's criticism, not an attack. If i was trying to attack them, then i would've actually insulted them beyond "Low quality and Uncreative". Theres not many ways to talk about what i am in the most respectable manner that doesen't offend anyone.” you actual tard going deeper is constructive criticism. Shallowly calling them low effort and saying you’re disappointed is literally attacking (or insulting) them with no criticism, it’s just hating on them for shits and giggles. Your entire argument this whole time has been to deflect real criticism to your original post and your follow-up ones. You have clearly not taken anything anyone has said into consideration other than “how do I argue against this”, and you need to actually stop, read, compare those arguments to yours and come to the correct, logical conclusion, That you are WRONG. You have contradicted yourself so much and whenever told you’re attacking mods you just say “no I’m not I just blah blah blah blah” like a broken record. And you just keep going and going contradicting yourself with every move. Your argument is getting worse with every post you write. It’s actually infuriating reading your posts because of how ignorant you are.

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good lord this is a whole lotta yap

the criticism is that they are uninspired, and uncreative. No offense to the original creator, but i don't think scribbe really is that inspired or creative, especially due to the abundance of those kinds of mods. I'm not hating for shits and giggles, and if you read my response to the developer of one of the mods that i actively 'insulted', you'd see that i'm actually here to talk about the current state of the modding scene, and am of course
1) willing to find a mutual ground
2) very accepting of how people feel
3) VERY APOLOGETIC and reasonable
And with your big bold "YOU ARE WRONG" statement, my brother in christ.
It's an opinion. An opinion that isn't really that baseless.
Also, instead of just saying that i contradict myself, and instead of calling me ignorant without any basis, how about you cite your sources? Where did i "get told that i'm attacking mods and just say ""no im not i just blah blah blah"? Funnily enough, it seems like you havent been reading what i've been saying. Despite the back and forth, i really do enjoy talking with yall and especially Amberbee, because they've done a really good job at citing their sources and providing reasonable views. You on the otherhand, seem to be fueled by anger and "infuriation", just like how you claim me to be "hating for shits and giggles." When you quoted my words, i dont think you actually understood the meaning behind them and what i actually meant, either. And because i'm a reasonable person, i'll explain them out for you.
1)"How do you expect me to describe them?"
I was asking in what way i should describe the mods that i listed. To credit you, i am not the best person with words, and i am aware of that, which is why i stated that i love everyone here and not to be hurt by my statements. I'm also not the type of person to sugercoat my points. When i see something that seems uncreative or uninspired, i'm going to call it out.

2) "It's criticism, not an attack"
It quite literally is. I made sure to word my statements in the nicest way that came to mind without having to go on thesaurus. I criticized how i think that theres an abundance of mods that aren't truly creative, and i miss that creative spark. If i was trying to harm anyone here, then you'dve been able to tell by the way i was acting. Maybe read some of my other comments?

3) "Theres not many ways to talk about what i am in the most respectable manner that doesen't offend anyone.” you actual tard going deeper is constructive criticism"
First of all, please type in a more readable way, i had a seizure while reading lmao
Alas, everyone's going to get offended at something. I wrote the thread with full earnest and readiness to respond to anyone who was offended by my statement. But just because you got offended, or what i'm saying, doesent inheritly mean i was trying to convey that feeling at all. I wrote at the start how i wished not to harm anyone, and i worded it in honest words that accurately display how i'm feeling.
(This was kinda hard to word, so ill give an example.)
If a lady is offended by your shirt, and that shirt has a skull on it, then does it mean you were trying to offend that lady and dead people? (Mod creators being the lady and dead people) No. Obviously not. You just wore something that you wanted, just like how I made a statement about something i feel.

For the last damn time..
II have nothing against any of the creators of these mods, and i truly do love this community, as stated in the FIRST SENTENCE OF MY RANT. I am NOT attacking anyone, and i do NOT wish to offend anyone here.

Before you claim that i'm being insulting or offensive or whatever word you want to use, please reread the literal first sentence of my thread.

BlitzGG said:

That is.. Literally what i did. "I find that the recolors and poorly drawn characters aren't creative and I think that theres too many of them."

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That's it? Is it right to assume you qualify the "creativity" of a mod by just the sprite they choose to display?

BlitzGG said:

Why am i expected to elaborate on every little detail that i'm expressing? What part of "I think that they're uncreative, and i dont like the poorly made reskins of the characters because i find them lazy" isn't clear enough for you?

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Because otherwise you get people asking you why.

The part where I don't know what's "uncreative" and "lazy" for you.
all i've gathered in this post alone is that you don't like lazy sprites and that's the only point you don't like, so if that's truly your point, then i guess that's it lol

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My point was that you can't expect me to dance around how i truly feel about these mods. My opinion is that they're uncreative, and i don't have to change anything with it. If i don't like something, i'm not going to dolly around and try to make it as least offensive as possible. The most valuable criticism is the kind that doesen't dance around the real topic. Frankly, these mods are pretty uncreative, and thats a pretty valid point.

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Then don't dance and lay it down. But make it elaborate.
"Uncreative" is not a point if you don't explain what the hell does something make it "uncreative". People have different experiences with creativity that they get different definitions for that word!

BlitzGG said:

What more explaination do i really need? If you look at the names of the mods ive sent, you can understand why it's possible to view them as low quality or uninspired. Look at the attachment i sent as an example. (No offense to you banderr, but this was the first mod that popped up lol). As you can see, it's simply just "Genderswap of Sunek". I already cited my references, what more do you really need?

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I looked at the names. How am I supposed to see them as low quality or uninspired? Because their name is a corruption of the name "Sonic" or "Tails"?
Uninspired? Maybe, there are more character names to steal from than just good ol' Sonic, but it works.
But low quality? lmao, that's a strange bar to have.

I already told you what I need, and you still aren't giving it to me. You seem more keen to respond to my walls of text more than actually explain just what are you looking for - what makes something uncreative in your eyes.
You keep switching up the terms but the big picture is still not being made clear.

BlitzGG said:

Ive already explained my view. I said they were uncreative, and uninspired. That's enough for someone to realize my point and understand what i and possibly others dont like about their mod.

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See above. The one about not dancing.

BlitzGG said:

I don't understand how you could POSSIBLY keep referring back to my original post while ignoring what I posted above. And even if you still refuse to take that into account, I not only said "Take what i'm saying in the kindest way possible, i really do love Srb2's modding community", and my whole ending message that im not gonna type again. If you read those, then maybe you wouldn't be offended over the imaginary feelings of these creators. PS: If any creators of the mods i stated actually have a problem with my post, then i'll clear it up at any time. You don't need to defend people who most likely don't even have a problem to begin with.

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I'm not ignoring what you've answered. But there are no unanswered quotable points, so why would I quote something whose answer I have received already?

I'm not sure what makes you think I'm offended in behalf of people. I'm merely stating again and again that you aren't elaborative enough and, best case, your opinion is useless the way you're giving it.
There's nothing to be offended there.

BlitzGG said:

Except it isn't bad feedback. I clearly stated my opinion, and clearly stated what was wrong with the mod in my eyes. Hell, even if i had literally just said "The sprites are ugly", it wouldve gotten the point across. All advice is advice, included the toxic advice. Even "bad advice" still has some truth to it. Not everyone is required to have an in-depth analysis of why they dont like something, especially when it comes to something that you consume like mods.
Imagine being a chef and asking someone to give a more in-depth analysis of why they dont like their food?

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Unelaborate feedback IS bad feedback.
What is a chef going to do with comments like "it's a little bland" or "it's uninspired"? It gives off nothing, it doesn't even describe what food item in the plate you ordered is either of the two. It is terrible feedback. You should know, you're a modder.

"The sprites are ugly" would have been better feedback actually, because you're at least you're giving off WHAT part of the mod is the one that makes it "uncreative" for you. It doesn't answer the next promptable question that is "Ugly? Why?", but it's a step in some direction.

All advice is advice, but not all advice is useful.

Not everyone is required to have an in-depth analysis of why they don't like something, but it helps the author when you actually can go in-depth as to why. Otherwise, your feedback is pointless and you get people asking you why do you think that way, or chastising you or ignoring you for such useless feedback.
You could've gone without saying anything or replacing the contents of your feedback with a step-by-step on how to fix the headlights on your car and the reception and response thereof would have been the same.

BlitzGG said:

I probably didnt respond to everything you said, but it's a lot lmao

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It's a message board, not a Discord chat. I have plenty of time to think and formulate what I want to say. Surely you do too?

BlitzGG said:

As you can see, it's simply just "Genderswap of Sunek"

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I don't think sunkeeck is a genderswap of this "Sunek." Looking at the post, it's not even stated that she's a genderswap lol

luigi budd said:

I don't think sunkeeck is a genderswap of this "Sunek." Looking at the post, it's not even stated that she's a genderswap lol

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Eh, she basically got the Sonia treatment to me. Sure, she's the Sonic's sister, but its essentially a genderswap imo

BlitzGG said:

Eh, she basically got the Sonia treatment to me. Sure, she's the Sonic's sister, but its essentially a genderswap imo

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Then why didn't you say that beforehand???? Like @amperbee said, you have time to think about your posts.

SpeedyHedgehog said:

Then why didn't you say that beforehand???? Like @amperbee said, you have time to think about your posts.

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This, it's Sonki, not Sonic

BlitzGG said:

For the last damn time..
II have nothing against any of the creators of these mods, and i truly do love this community, as stated in the FIRST SENTENCE OF MY RANT. I am NOT attacking anyone, and i do NOT wish to offend anyone here.

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And you KEEP MISSING THE POINT!!! The point is that no one gives a shit about your preface that you don’t intend any insulting or offense. It’s the nicest way to put it. What people do care about is the actual contents of what you write. Please for the love of god take this into consideration. As you love to do, here’s an example. A lady walks by me on the street. I don’t like how she looks. I say “no offense, but you look ugly as shit.” It’s still offensive and insulting. No matter what you preface your arguments with what really matters is what you actually say.

Jesus, I'm surprised this got to Page 2.
Basically, the lesson here: If you don't like a mod, it's ok to give criticism, but it is NOT ok to attack modders for having a mod you don't like.

SpeedyHedgehog said:

Why is this thread still open

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Don't do this, dude.
You know full well why threads stay open. You've been in The Other Thread, you should know better.
If you don't like something, report it. If you don't want to engage anymore, leave the thread.

SpeedyHedgehog said:

Like @amperbee said, you have time to think about your posts.

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I did say this but under a different context of "you don't have to answer ASAP, take your time" instead of "do your research".
Though both are optimal for good discussion

amperbee said:

That's it? Is it right to assume you qualify the "creativity" of a mod by just the sprite they choose to display?


Because otherwise you get people asking you why.

The part where I don't know what's "uncreative" and "lazy" for you.
all i've gathered in this post alone is that you don't like lazy sprites and that's the only point you don't like, so if that's truly your point, then i guess that's it lol


Then don't dance and lay it down. But make it elaborate.
"Uncreative" is not a point if you don't explain what the hell does something make it "uncreative". People have different experiences with creativity that they get different definitions for that word!


I looked at the names. How am I supposed to see them as low quality or uninspired? Because their name is a corruption of the name "Sonic" or "Tails"?
Uninspired? Maybe, there are more character names to steal from than just good ol' Sonic, but it works.
But low quality? lmao, that's a strange bar to have.

I already told you what I need, and you still aren't giving it to me. You seem more keen to respond to my walls of text more than actually explain just what are you looking for - what makes something uncreative in your eyes.
You keep switching up the terms but the big picture is still not being made clear.


See above. The one about not dancing.


I'm not ignoring what you've answered. But there are no unanswered quotable points, so why would I quote something whose answer I have received already?

I'm not sure what makes you think I'm offended in behalf of people. I'm merely stating again and again that you aren't elaborative enough and, best case, your opinion is useless the way you're giving it.
There's nothing to be offended there.


Unelaborate feedback IS bad feedback.
What is a chef going to do with comments like "it's a little bland" or "it's uninspired"? It gives off nothing, it doesn't even describe what food item in the plate you ordered is either of the two. It is terrible feedback. You should know, you're a modder.

"The sprites are ugly" would have been better feedback actually, because you're at least you're giving off WHAT part of the mod is the one that makes it "uncreative" for you. It doesn't answer the next promptable question that is "Ugly? Why?", but it's a step in some direction.

All advice is advice, but not all advice is useful.

Not everyone is required to have an in-depth analysis of why they don't like something, but it helps the author when you actually can go in-depth as to why. Otherwise, your feedback is pointless and you get people asking you why do you think that way, or chastising you or ignoring you for such useless feedback.
You could've gone without saying anything or replacing the contents of your feedback with a step-by-step on how to fix the headlights on your car and the reception and response thereof would have been the same.


It's a message board, not a Discord chat. I have plenty of time to think and formulate what I want to say. Surely you do too?

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1) Not really the sprite, but the concept. Another mod i really enjoy is the OVA sonic mod. The spritework is unfortunately kind of really bad, but i love playing the mod because i can see the effort and work put into making it. Before you say it, the OVA sonic mod isnt just another rehash either. It's unique in the case that theres only one mod that adapts that version of sonic, and they play almost nothing alike.

2) I was pretty specific. I gave multiple examples of mods that essentially all blend together as uncreative and lazy. (No offense to the creators ofc i love yall) "uncreative" as in they don't really add much that other mods dont, except in a bit of a worse way if you ask me. and "Lazy" as in their spritework and overall concept isn't too interesting and unique. "Wow! Sonic but he's a girl! Tails but he's drawn in MS Paint!" It just isnt that unique or interesting.

3) LOOK AT THE SPRITES FOR GODS SAKEYou seriously can't look me in my eyes and tell me that these characters are all that creativee. You can summarize them all with this format:
"Sonic/Tails But"
"Sonic but he's green!"
"Tails but he's wearing a tie!"
Sonic but he has no depth!"
I really can't find the effort to word these in a more polite manner, and because of that im sorry to all of the mod creators here for using your mods as an example, but i would love to see some of these being more than just what seem to be jokes.
4) If you can't understand why i find the mods that i sent "Uncreative", then maybe you should stop looking at the names and look at the actual concepts. And if you still can't, then it seems that you're too close-minded to be worth getting carpel tunnel.

5) Please dont make me scroll back and get the screenshot of you saying that i'm insulting the mods. I really don't want to have to point this in your face.

6) Here we go- some actual stuff to work with.
If you call a piece of food bland, then you can accurately assume that its because it lacks spices, sauce ect.
If you call a piece of food uninspired, then the food clearly isn't unique or distinguished enough to be any different from the other foods.

For example, you could call fast food fries incredibly uninspired, because most major fast food chains (excluding chick-fil-a i love that stuff) have very similar straight fries with very little difference.

To put this in terms relevant to the discussion, The non-CFA fries are the mods that i sent a picture of. They really don't seem all that unique, and definetly aren't as unique as some of the other mods. The "Sauce" and "Spice" in this case would be the uniqueness of the characters. Most of these characters are again, just remakes of existing characters with not enough to differentiate them from the others.
However, this does not mean that i hate all characters that are made with base character sprites and such.

One example is Speedster sonic. It's an incredible mod that i've had a lot of fun with, despite having the regular base sprites.
Another example is Frontiers sonic. It's another really good mod (one of my favorites), and also uses the base sonic sprite with minimal differences.
""The sprites are ugly" would have been better feedback actually, because you're at least you're giving off WHAT part of the mod is the one that makes it "uncreative" for you. It doesn't answer the next promptable question that is "Ugly? Why?", but it's a step in some direction."
please i beg of you look at any of the modded characters i sent in my ORIGINAL POST. "WhAT pARt of ThE MoD is UnCREaTiVE?"
hmm maybe its something i said in my original post as well!
"I know modding really isnt for everyone, but all of these characters are just low-effort remakes of the main cast"
oh lookie here! the answer to your question, hidden in broad daylight! in fact, it's so brightly and easy to spot that it might just be like the sun!

im gonna tone it down, but for the love of god please dont actually read what you type before posting it. it makes my job of debunking what you say a lotttt easier when i can just point to my original post and be done with it

7) Im gonna touch on what you said with me knowing about how good criticism is because im a modder.
story time!
I posted an image of one of my starting towns back on reddit. It was frankly really damn good, but of course, some people had issues with it. The comments asked me to "Add more flavor, like a Pokemart or something." This is very similar to what i said, being direct. (I said they were uncreative and uninspired) However, i also go a lot of negative feedback. It was called "Off-brand littleroot town", and many other things. However, because i know how to take criticism, i went on my own and made the map more unique.

Funny thing, the mean comments were the ones that helped me work on the town much better! When i was told it looked like littleroot, i didnt beg them for more information and elaboration. I used my brain, and realized "It needs more significant features in order to look more like it's own thing!" And would you look at that- i'm doing the same thing (except more polite) in my original post!

Basically, bad advice is still very useful, but either way my advice wasn't bad either, so you tell me how that works.

SpeedyHedgehog said:

Jesus, I'm surprised this got to Page 2.
Basically, the lesson here: If you don't like a mod, it's ok to give criticism, but it is NOT ok to attack modders for having a mod you don't like.

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amperbee said:

Don't do this, dude.
You know full well why threads stay open. You've been in The Other Thread, you should know better.
If you don't like something, report it. If you don't want to engage anymore, leave the thread.


I did say this but under a different context of "you don't have to answer ASAP, take your time" instead of "do your research".
Though both are optimal for good discussion

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lemme fix that

"If you don't like something, leave it alone". especially if it doesent effect you. I don't get why your first response is to report it, as if i'm doing anything wrong smh.

also, i did do my research. what about you?

amperbee said:

Don't do this, dude.
You know full well why threads stay open. You've been in The Other Thread, you should know better.
If you don't like something, report it. If you don't want to engage anymore, leave the thread.

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Sorry. I didn't mean to, I was just wondering why. I didn't mean to say I didn't want to engage in it anymore.

amperbee said:

I did say this but under a different context of "you don't have to answer ASAP, take your time" instead of "do your research".
Though both are optimal for good discussion

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Yes, they both are. But it is clear the thread maker (no offense) isn't taking his time to say things.

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BlitzGG said:

1) Not really the sprite, but the concept. Another mod i really enjoy is the OVA sonic mod. The spritework is unfortunately kind of really bad, but i love playing the mod because i can see the effort and work put into making it. Before you say it, the OVA sonic mod isnt just another rehash either. It's unique in the case that theres only one mod that adapts that version of sonic, and they play almost nothing alike.

2) I was pretty specific. I gave multiple examples of mods that essentially all blend together as uncreative and lazy. (No offense to the creators ofc i love yall) "uncreative" as in they don't really add much that other mods dont, except in a bit of a worse way if you ask me. and "Lazy" as in their spritework and overall concept isn't too interesting and unique. "Wow! Sonic but he's a girl! Tails but he's drawn in MS Paint!" It just isnt that unique or interesting.

3) LOOK AT THE SPRITES FOR GODS SAKEView attachment 116939View attachment 116940View attachment 116941View attachment 116942View attachment 116943View attachment 116944View attachment 116938You seriously can't look me in my eyes and tell me that these characters are all that creativee. You can summarize them all with this format:
"Sonic/Tails But"
"Sonic but he's green!"
"Tails but he's wearing a tie!"
Sonic but he has no depth!"
I really can't find the effort to word these in a more polite manner, and because of that im sorry to all of the mod creators here for using your mods as an example, but i would love to see some of these being more than just what seem to be jokes.
4) If you can't understand why i find the mods that i sent "Uncreative", then maybe you should stop looking at the names and look at the actual concepts. And if you still can't, then it seems that you're too close-minded to be worth getting carpel tunnel.

5) Please dont make me scroll back and get the screenshot of you saying that i'm insulting the mods. I really don't want to have to point this in your face.

6) Here we go- some actual stuff to work with.
If you call a piece of food bland, then you can accurately assume that its because it lacks spices, sauce ect.
If you call a piece of food uninspired, then the food clearly isn't unique or distinguished enough to be any different from the other foods.

For example, you could call fast food fries incredibly uninspired, because most major fast food chains (excluding chick-fil-a i love that stuff) have very similar straight fries with very little difference.

To put this in terms relevant to the discussion, The non-CFA fries are the mods that i sent a picture of. They really don't seem all that unique, and definetly aren't as unique as some of the other mods. The "Sauce" and "Spice" in this case would be the uniqueness of the characters. Most of these characters are again, just remakes of existing characters with not enough to differentiate them from the others.
However, this does not mean that i hate all characters that are made with base character sprites and such.

One example is Speedster sonic. It's an incredible mod that i've had a lot of fun with, despite having the regular base sprites.
Another example is Frontiers sonic. It's another really good mod (one of my favorites), and also uses the base sonic sprite with minimal differences.
""The sprites are ugly" would have been better feedback actually, because you're at least you're giving off WHAT part of the mod is the one that makes it "uncreative" for you. It doesn't answer the next promptable question that is "Ugly? Why?", but it's a step in some direction."
please i beg of you look at any of the modded characters i sent in my ORIGINAL POST. "WhAT pARt of ThE MoD is UnCREaTiVE?"
hmm maybe its something i said in my original post as well!
"I know modding really isnt for everyone, but all of these characters are just low-effort remakes of the main cast"
oh lookie here! the answer to your question, hidden in broad daylight! in fact, it's so brightly and easy to spot that it might just be like the sun!

im gonna tone it down, but for the love of god please dont actually read what you type before posting it. it makes my job of debunking what you say a lotttt easier when i can just point to my original post and be done with it

7) Im gonna touch on what you said with me knowing about how good criticism is because im a modder.
story time!
I posted an image of one of my starting towns back on reddit. It was frankly really damn good, but of course, some people had issues with it. The comments asked me to "Add more flavor, like a Pokemart or something." This is very similar to what i said, being direct. (I said they were uncreative and uninspired) However, i also go a lot of negative feedback. It was called "Off-brand littleroot town", and many other things. However, because i know how to take criticism, i went on my own and made the map more unique.

Funny thing, the mean comments were the ones that helped me work on the town much better! When i was told it looked like littleroot, i didnt beg them for more information and elaboration. I used my brain, and realized "It needs more significant features in order to look more like it's own thing!" And would you look at that- i'm doing the same thing (except more polite) in my original post!

Basically, bad advice is still very useful, but either way my advice wasn't bad either, so you tell me how that works.

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BINGO!

You just looked at a bunch of mods that were:
A) Made for fun
B) Made to be fun
C) From beginners
D) Suppose to be funny

It's obvious that even with saying "but I didn't mean to", your attacking modders who have a mod you don't like.
I'm just gonna put in my quote, no way I'm saying it again.

SpeedyHedgehog said:

If you don't like a mod, it's ok to give criticism, but it is NOT ok to attack modders for having a mod you don't like.

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