InfernoMelon
Honwy is cooilo dudey
you are off-topic (also hop off, the goat Archie Comics)
What in the world is SRB2 Workshop?
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PowerCD
The keyboard warriorification guy that plays games
please, for the love of god, crediting is enough. im already scared of talking to moderators and admins and crap though they're probably smelly shower defiers behind the screen, so what will i say when im face to face with a guy that doesn't even want to hear the word "Sonic" anymore and will probably be dead by the time i find his contacts, all just to make A PORT OF A MOD FOR A FAKE SONIC GAME. no, sprites are not "art", art is actually caring about the rest of the project as MUCH as ur art, so if the gameplay (the only thing you need to worry about) sucks, it all sucks. even the GODDAMN ARTIST CREATOR OF SRB2 said its fine to portleg. workshop is good, case closed.
i apologise for my tone
but this shouldn't have to last 45 pages just for a simple solution: if ur device cant run old, portlegs are gold
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but this shouldn't have to last 45 pages just for a simple solution: if ur device cant run old, portlegs are gold
SP Moves Enjoyer
Member
what are you even talking about, this shit makes no sense
making sprites IS art
coding IS art
making mods for srb2 IS art
these things by definition are art, and a lot more things are
then you got the part of your post that says you don't want to spend an eternity looking for peoples contacts, despite the fact that there's systems that make it so that this wouldn't even happen anyways
I don't know about the rest of you but I'm genuinely baffled of the same arguments being thrown out all the time, repeating what someone else said to make you look smart. It's honestly just sad to think that people literally cannot wait until the 3 month deadline for portlets, or ask for basic permission to use parts of peoples mods. The latter doesn't even take up to 10 seconds
I literally asked someone if I could use their 2.1 Amy port for my 2.0 Amy moveset and I got a reply in like a few days, it's really not that hard
TL;DR: these arguments stink, most arguments defending the workshop stink, most issues with reuseablity are exaggerated, workshop is literally pointless (unless your lazy as hell, and even they don't even accept add-ons anymore unless you ping them on the discord)
InfernoMelon
Honwy is cooilo dudey
amperbee
thunderdome denizen
Spoiling so it doesn't cover a whole screen
usually locked threads get a staff reply at the end explaining why the lock. i see none here
leaving a thread simmer and get cold after everything that was said was said is perfectly acceptable, you know
to not be pedantic, regardless of how artsy you consider spriting to be, dismissing a work because it's not "art" is disingenuous
an author is perfectly capable of walking away after believing their product is finished. there is nothing wrong on stating "That's All, Folks!" and stopping.
sure, it might be weird if that is done while their project is on an objectionable state, but it's just courteous to leave it be and do something else.
pick one and stick with it
i don't think this thread was ever locked.
usually locked threads get a staff reply at the end explaining why the lock. i see none here
pretty sure the penders vs archie situation is considerably different than what this thread is about. for one, it involves two official or ex-official artists with a particular legal problem. i don't think it's very on topic.
you don't need to (re!)state things for no particular reason other than bring the parent thread back to life.
leaving a thread simmer and get cold after everything that was said was said is perfectly acceptable, you know
not if you want to publish your author-disrespecting port in this message board, no
to be pedantic, sprites involve drawing and drawing is art. henceforth, sprites are art
to not be pedantic, regardless of how artsy you consider spriting to be, dismissing a work because it's not "art" is disingenuous
an author is perfectly capable of walking away after believing their product is finished. there is nothing wrong on stating "That's All, Folks!" and stopping.
sure, it might be weird if that is done while their project is on an objectionable state, but it's just courteous to leave it be and do something else.
the game is playable from start to end. i don't think this is a fake sonic game
i don't think you get to insult a couple sides, "apologize" for it, then stand again by what you said
pick one and stick with it
PowerCD
The keyboard warriorification guy that plays games
1. i get that, but the rule honestly sucks, plus copyright doesn't really apply to fan stuff unless it makes money
2. what i meant with that second point was that if one part of an art isn't as nice as the others, the art collapses. i still think its hella narcissistic that THIS is the only place on the internet where there is an emphasis on "art" in modding, when other sites would just consider it what it is: a modification, especially considering that the "art" part of this game started by tracing some random prerendered sprites (something the modern srb2 community would bash people for).
3. the game itself is fully real, yes, but it isn't real as in its not official in anyway, no money is made off it, and anyone not using modding as a simple hobby are doomed to just be in their parent's basement, and if they get a job, they'll suck at their job from how much "art" they put into a freeware game about going fast, and eventually, they'll die from exhaustion.
4. this is what i can agree on. at that time, i was scared of typing anything of my honest opinion from the thought that i would just be seen as a forever controversial figure that receives zero redemption and then possibly be exiled from the internet or something. sounds like a stretch, but i've seen people's reputations tarnish from other people making up stupid lies.
sonis is the closest thing to art in this community lol
1. i never said coding wasn't art, as i said myself:
2. i also said:
3. i didn't even know the last part, but your point of arguments and opinions "stinking" doesn't make your argument look better.
Octosquid
Bember
That's not how copyright works, copyright.gov says "Everyone is a copyright owner. Once you create an original work and fix it, like taking a photograph, writing a poem or blog, or recording a new song, you are the author and the owner"
just because they don't state that it's art doesn't mean it isn't art, and the definition of art is "The conscious use of the imagination in the production of objects intended to be contemplated or appreciated as beautiful, as in the arrangement of forms, sounds, or words." so just because the modern srb2 community would bash someone for tracing random prerendered sprites doesn't mean that it isn't art, that was still made with artistic intent and the original ssn sprites look completely different to the xtreme sprites
This doesn't make sense. Skills from srb2 can DEFINITELY transfer over to a job, like sprite art, scripting, level design, and also modeling, all of which are skills that can be used in the game industry and other industries as well
This makes sense, no comment
ReverandToast_
:dramahog:
I like how this thread just started with a simple question: "what is srb2 workshop?" Then all of a sudden this thread becomes a class if it was a whole school
amperbee
thunderdome denizen
if you don't like the rule you can just not use the message board
copyright applies to all creations regardless of whether they make any money.
see: fanart
i don't like how rain world exercises its mechanics (and lack of explanation thereof) upon the player but it's still a pretty solid and pretty artful game
creative work is art
if you set out to do your very own whatever it is you like to do, it is art as per the definition of the word
it isn't narcissistic until you make it so
i have no clue who's the smart fella who brought the "art" side to the thread but i really don't see anybody calling modding "art" other than this thread and a few select people. i roll with it because it makes sense to me.
there's probably the "this is an artist community" guideline somewhere but that doesn't create the implication that "modding == art", only that people make creative work and should be respected as such
this tangent of yours is really weird
if a game exists, it is real. it's tangible, intended to be enjoyed, and potentially playable from start to end.
it may not be official, but it is still a game.
people enjoy making stuff for others to play.
i'm not sure why are you bringing the implication that people take modding as a job. modding is a hobby and will always be a hobby, people like modding games for fun and to have something they like appear and exist in some media. they use their free time for this and will obviously put it aside it if there are other things to prioritize.
if you are scared of destroying your reputation, why are you being combative and insulting the community you are on?
is this on purpose?
Jammin'
I fucking hate the average person on this site.
How would you feel if you were making your own mod and putting a lot of effort into it in order to make it play well/look good, and after you release it (as something that isn’t an open asset.) the sprites go on to be used in some crappy portleg once 2.3 comes out?
PowerCD
The keyboard warriorification guy that plays games
i'd be fine with it, plus i'd never not make my stuff open asset
time gear
Eternity in an hour
That's not how art works. The quality of art is purely subjective. What appeals to one person might not appeal to another. It's not like with a watch or a car where it's meant to perform a specific practical function and has an objective quality based on how well it performs that function. Two people can look at the same painting and feel entirely different emotions and be thinking entirely different thoughts from doing so. Art doesn't stop being art just because you don't like one part of it, and based on how you worded it here specifically art in general couldn't exist because there's no such thing as perfection within any artform.
The language used might be different, but the actual rulesets generally aren't. If someone makes custom sprites for a mod for, say, Sonic Mania and then someone else rips those sprites and uses them without permission for their own mod, they're going to get called out for it and their mod might get taken down from whatever website they uploaded it to. The same goes for things like models, code, etc. If someone doesn't explicitly make it clear that their content is reusable without needing to ask permission, pretty close to every modding community frowns on taking what they made and using it without said permission. It's plagiarism. Just because these communities aren't going out of their way to refer to it as art doesn't mean they're not treating it as such.
I also think it's worth reiterating that these rules don't ban you from doing this entirely, the rules are in regards to publishing specifically. You can reuse whatever you want in the creation of your own mods and nobody can stop you, it only becomes a problem when you try to publish the result. If reusing someone else's work allows you to practice and gradually refine your own skill then by all means go do it, just make sure that you remove anything that's reused without permission and replace it with your own work or something that you do have permission to reuse if you intend on publishing it.
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Sandwichface
Trash Bin connoisseur
Rule 2, Just because you dislike the community or people in there doesn't mean ti's appropriate to make a post just insulting it.
Why didn't we keep this thread dead? I swear to god this was locked like a week ago.
Oh well. Shame on me for expecting anyone on this godforsaken site to do anything right, I guess.
Oh well. Shame on me for expecting anyone on this godforsaken site to do anything right, I guess.
Cheeseboi!
stupid
fr this is all the op needed to know
soupnuts6061
Member
Rule 12: Do not bump threads pointlessly. Make sure your post adds something to the discussion.
why is this back bruh
SpeedyHedgehog
MY RING!
I remember this thread was locked.... but it must've been opened back up by a moderator.
CFir
running around at the speed of sound
Rule 12: Do not bump threads pointlessly. Make sure your post adds something to the discussion.
that moderator is ong braindead
The thread was hastily locked without proper consensus from the rest of the staff. As one of the staff members that want to keep it open, the reasoning is that this thread concentrates all discussion of the Workshop, at least to keep people from opening new threads about it.
Locking the thread would serve no purpose but shutting down discussion of the Workshop and we have no interest in that. I don't know why the mere existence of the thread bothers so many people, but if it does, don't engage with it: you don't have to.
Further posting only keeps the thread alive. Report applicable posts if you need, but if you're only gonna be here to complain that the thread exists, prepare to get warned for off-topic posting, unnecessary bumping and backseat moderating.