Adventure Sonic (v1.9)

Adventure Sonic (v1.9) v1.8c (v1.9 temp-banned)

If thats the case then why temp-ban at all?
There was no "temp-ban", I told Wario to just reupload 1.9 without Phanto's new sprites. That was it. I even returned the original announcement post to the queue rather than deleting it, that way he wouldn't have to write it all over again. He could just reuse it and remove the bit about Phanto.
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Instead of doing that, they've released an older build and claimed the update was "temp-banned", which isn't the case. It all just seems a bit odd to me.
 
There was no "temp-ban", I told Wario to just reupload 1.9 without Phanto's new sprites. That was it. I even returned the original announcement post to the queue rather than deleting it, that way he wouldn't have to write it all over again. He could just reuse it and remove the bit about Phanto.
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Instead of doing that, they've released an older build and claimed the update was "temp-banned", which isn't the case. It all just seems a bit odd to me.
Eh, i guess that works too. I'll keep waiting.
 
I don't think we have anything further to discuss about him here though. Theres whole pages of discussion about him here already, and we ourselves can't change things beyond what has already been done; so we can stop discussion about it.
 
There was no "temp-ban", I told Wario to just reupload 1.9 without Phanto's new sprites. That was it. I even returned the original announcement post to the queue rather than deleting it, that way he wouldn't have to write it all over again. He could just reuse it and remove the bit about Phanto.
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Instead of doing that, they've released an older build and claimed the update was "temp-banned", which isn't the case. It all just seems a bit odd to me.
But correct me if im wrong, but i’m pretty sure that MW64 and GS we’re going to either make the advance spin sprites themselves or get someone else to do it

either way they want advance spin sprites somehow
 
I mean yeah, but all we told them was they couldn't use the ones by Phanto. Seems odd to revert the whole update over it, though.
It's Probably Due To The Coding Of The Spin Dash, Since They Don't Have Sprites For The Time Being, They Probably Found It Easier To Just Upload An Older Version Instead.

(still have no idea why they said it was temp-banned)
 
It's Probably Due To The Coding Of The Spin Dash, Since They Don't Have Sprites For The Time Being, They Probably Found It Easier To Just Upload An Older Version Instead.

(still have no idea why they said it was temp-banned)
I assume it means v1.9 proper might be re-released with new sprites (technically v1.9b)
 
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My bad, that's not what the post I quoted actually says. That's on me.

The point remains that we're aware his future contributions may span to more than just this set of sprites. The whole mispresentation of the staff's actions doesn't really make sense unless that's the case, anyhow.
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Tatsuru...you've just misinterpreted his message TWICE. First you misread it entirely, immediately jumping to the conclusion some rando's statement must be "fact", and insist I must be planning out rule-breaking when I was crystal clear about abiding with the new update's demands.

Then when you had to owe up to your mistake, you STILL double down on the accusation anyway because there'd be "no other explanation"? How low do you think of me?


...yes, we implied we disagreed with the content ban. However, I also stated we'd act neutrally here in public. I feel I've done well enough by staff in simply linking their official accusations only and refraining from publicly escalating here. Acting like we feel that's the whole truth steps far out of that "neutral" zone. We've been showing goodwill by abiding with something we're not on the same page on. And yes, I needed to make that statement why our update was removed. People got confused for hours why it was gone, and whoever did felt no desire to make one. I couldn't just randomly post a downgrade explaining nothing.

Still, it doesn't mean I just accept this either. Staff should be well aware this is about FAR more than v1.9's spindash frames. The ones who were in TAG 2 years ago should've known the actual reasons things escalated to a content ban too.

But it'd be reckless to clog our public thread with graphic evidence and sensitive details unrelated to SA-Sonic. So instead, let's talk this out like adults. In private.


What I propose is:
When I'm ready, I'll shoot staff Discord DMs inviting them to a group conversation. There, I'll lay everything on the table in an easily digestible way that can't be misinterpreted so easily. I will answer your questions, and you can answer mine as well. We'll clear this up in 1 or 2 days tops, apologize to each other for any misunderstandings and distrust, then evaluate where we stand then.

Not only staff I happen to DM would be "allowed". Feel free to bring any staff you'd trust with sensitive topics. In return, I'll be allowed to bring in people directly impacted by this whole shtick. If I can't prove a relation, you can object to their presence. And if you demand Icezer not show at all, that's totally fine by me! She was barely all that relevant anyhow...

If this sounds fair, let's wait until that conversation's been had. I'll freeze all mod releases until then, besides v1.9b. That way I can't "secretly shove in uncredited Phanto work" or whatever those trigger fingers are itching for. No rush.


For non-staff:
Sorry for keeping you all in the dark! The discussion date will take a while, so please have patience and allow us our talk with staff. Regardless of what you believe, please do not use the thread to attack either staff or us. Even if you think you're knowledgeable! Ideally, this thread should be about SA-Sonic, not become a battlefield over moderation decisions.

We'd want to keep Adventure Sonic going, so we'll do our best to handle this civilly! If something's fair to clear up publicly, I'm sure staff will agree to transparency anyhow.
 

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I'm hoping this all blows over soon. I hate when game mods become bullshit like this. I just wanna see a funny hedgehog have funny spin frames, man.
Good luck, wishing everyone the best.
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Tatsuru...you've just misinterpreted his message TWICE. First you misread it entirely, immediately jumping to the conclusion some rando's statement must be "fact", and insist I must be planning out rule-breaking when I was crystal clear about abiding with the new update's demands.

Then when you had to owe up to your mistake, you STILL double down on the accusation anyway because there'd be "no other explanation"? How low do you think of me?


...yes, we implied we disagreed with the content ban. However, I also stated we'd act neutrally here in public. I feel I've done well enough by staff in simply linking their official accusations only and refraining from publicly escalating here. Acting like we feel that's the whole truth steps far out of that "neutral" zone. We've been showing goodwill by abiding with something we're not on the same page on. And yes, I needed to make that statement why our update was removed. People got confused for hours why it was gone, and whoever did felt no desire to make one. I couldn't just randomly post a downgrade explaining nothing.

Still, it doesn't mean I just accept this either. Staff should be well aware this is about FAR more than v1.9's spindash frames. The ones who were in TAG 2 years ago should've known the actual reasons things escalated to a content ban too.

But it'd be reckless to clog our public thread with graphic evidence and sensitive details unrelated to SA-Sonic. So instead, let's talk this out like adults. In private.


What I propose is:
When I'm ready, I'll shoot staff Discord DMs inviting them to a group conversation. There, I'll lay everything on the table in an easily digestible way that can't be misinterpreted so easily. I will answer your questions, and you can answer mine as well. We'll clear this up in 1 or 2 days tops, apologize to each other for any misunderstandings and distrust, then evaluate where we stand then.

Not only staff I happen to DM would be "allowed". Feel free to bring any staff you'd trust with sensitive topics. In return, I'll be allowed to bring in people directly impacted by this whole shtick. If I can't prove a relation, you can object to their presence. And if you demand Icezer not show at all, that's totally fine by me! She was barely all that relevant anyhow...

If this sounds fair, let's wait until that conversation's been had. I'll freeze all mod releases until then, besides v1.9b. That way I can't "secretly shove in uncredited Phanto work" or whatever those trigger fingers are itching for. No rush.


For non-staff:
Sorry for keeping you all in the dark! The discussion date will take a while, so please have patience and allow us our talk with staff. Regardless of what you believe, please do not use the thread to attack either staff or us. Even if you think you're knowledgeable! Ideally, this thread should be about SA-Sonic, not become a battlefield over moderation decisions.

We'd want to keep Adventure Sonic going, so we'll do our best to handle this civilly! If something's fair to clear up publicly, I'm sure staff will agree to transparency anyhow.
 
...yes, we implied we disagreed with the content ban. However, I also stated we'd act neutrally here in public. I feel I've done well enough by staff in simply linking their official accusations only and refraining from publicly escalating here. Acting like we feel that's the whole truth steps far out of that "neutral" zone. We've been showing goodwill by abiding with something we're not on the same page on. And yes, I needed to make that statement why our update was removed. People got confused for hours why it was gone, and whoever did felt no desire to make one. I couldn't just randomly post a downgrade explaining nothing.
So instead, let's talk this out like adults. In private.
I don't remember ever agreeing to any kind of public etiquette regarding discussion of Icezer and SuperPhanto's ban or how that affects your work, so whether you think I or any other staff member should act neutral about it is a complete misunderstanding.

If you go back on the thread, you can see people already agreeing that your post was misleading:
  • With the current thread title, you made people believe the whole add-on had been "temp-banned" when the only issue with it at the time was easily reversible (just the sprites bro)
  • You also linked the doc labeling our accusations against SuperPhanto as a mere "interpretation", in an attempt to preconceive to people that it's not what the logs show
  • You poisoned the well by saying anything that you might say about the topic "might get interpreted as bad faith, cherry-picking etc." as if to imply any discussion with staff is fruitless
That you think we should take that as "goodwill" is laughable, but it's actually just house rules: there are banned users whose contributions we cannot accept due to the gravity of their offenses, and we will not host your mod in our spaces if you can't abide to that. Actual goodwill would be to contact us about SuperPhanto's contributions first, given you're incredibly privy to what went down in TAG, but compliance with the rules is the bare minimum.

Whether you disagree with either the bans or that policy itself is a separate matter, but there is literally no reason that discussion should have to happen where the community can't witness.

What I propose is:
When I'm ready, I'll shoot staff Discord DMs inviting them to a group conversation. There, I'll lay everything on the table in an easily digestible way that can't be misinterpreted so easily. I will answer your questions, and you can answer mine as well. We'll clear this up in 1 or 2 days tops, apologize to each other for any misunderstandings and distrust, then evaluate where we stand then.

Not only staff I happen to DM would be "allowed". Feel free to bring any staff you'd trust with sensitive topics. In return, I'll be allowed to bring in people directly impacted by this whole shtick. If I can't prove a relation, you can object to their presence. And if you demand Icezer not show at all, that's totally fine by me! She was barely all that relevant anyhow...

If this sounds fair, let's wait until that conversation's been had. I'll freeze all mod releases until then, besides v1.9b. That way I can't "secretly shove in uncredited Phanto work" or whatever those trigger fingers are itching for. No rush.
Then when you had to owe up to your mistake, you STILL double down on the accusation anyway because there'd be "no other explanation"? How low do you think of me?
And my response to that is: why in the fuck are you not only still in contact with Icezer and SuperPhanto, but proposing we hop into a group chat with them to retrudge through an already solved matter? What would that accomplish that you couldn't here?

The only reason I can think of is that you're hoping to reverse our stance on contributions from either of them in order to benefit your mod regardless of what those abusers have done to the victim. That's how lowly I think of you.

Needless to say, I'm not interested in that idea, neither is any of the staff for that matter. Staff will continue not accepting contributions from SuperPhanto and we're assuming you will not longer try to submit them: that is the goodwill we are willing to extend to you.
 
That you think we should take that as "goodwill" is laughable, but it's actually just house rules: there are banned users whose contributions we cannot accept due to the gravity of their offenses, and we will not host your mod in our spaces if you can't abide to that. Actual goodwill would be to contact us about SuperPhanto's contributions first, given you're incredibly privy to what went down in TAG, but compliance with the rules is the bare minimum.

The only reason I can think of is that you're hoping to reverse our stance on contributions from either of them in order to benefit your mod regardless of what those abusers have done to the victim. That's how lowly I think of you.
While I do think this was a very rude way of saying this, he does make some good points. I lowk just hope that this gets solved. Maybe we can just keep the sprites out and be done with it. Maybe just forget it ever happened.
 
This is not going to be forgotten, most likely not anytime soon. Because of how this was done to begin with completely out of the blue, we're not going to be forgetting this for a long while.
The Message Board is seriously becoming more and more confusing on what should even be up on here, the rules feel constantly changing depending on what people say. The quality has been dropping for years, the community in shambles, excessive burnout, never ending drama.
This is starting to turn into hate speech rather than it is about resolving the issue over sprites where you have Sonic curling into a ball.
 
i think we should lock this wall until 1.9b is released. otherwise things might escalate to the point of more people getting banned.
edit: i think i started a new debate. whoops.
 
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