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Swift the "poorly drawn" Dragon WIP

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Swift now's has a proper Super form in the NiGHTS stages instead of being a SSJ3 Rip-off
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And... she's too big now lmao (BUT it is possible)
Yay! :D Will she have a in-game super form though? I can't remember if you ever said anything about that. (Idk why but the way she flies reminds me of sailor moon or these 2000s fairy cartoons. That's weirdly specific, I don't have a clue why I thought of that.)

And I made a mock-up of how the tutorial could look like:
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Very straight forward. Red color means that these are the new lines you should draw next.

And I finally made the rubber ducky sprite!
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(I feel like I gotten a bit worse at drawing her, but then I remembered that I made only one brand new non-edited/traced Swift art. :P)

I noticed a silly thing, but every time you draw Swift in higher canvas size she looks just a bit different then the other. It's not like It's something bad, but it's just funny seeing her change just a tiny bit in every art. (There's actually multiple Swifts!1!1 She's being cloned!!! :ohsnap:)
And personally this is my favorite way you drew her! (Outside of in-game sprites.)
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She looks so scrunkly here. Silly even. Wacky perhaps... Very adorable looking fellow. And what's the thing with her hand posing? Is there any specific reason why she has her hands like that? Or is it just a personality-showcase thingy. Either way, it's pretty silly too. :3
 
Yay! :D Will she have a in-game super form though? I can't remember if you ever said anything about that.
Yep!!!


And I made a mock-up of how the tutorial could look like:
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Very straight forward. Red color means that these are the new lines you should draw next.
Honestly, I like this!
It's 10x times better than what I originally had
(I would show it but it's terrible, like, really terrible)

(I feel like I gotten a bit worse at drawing her, but then I remembered that I made only one brand new non-edited/traced Swift art. :P)
Nahhh, you draw her really good tbh, besides, there's really no wrong way to draw Swift (minus, the face/head-spikes position when drawing her in the front, you have to draw her in specific way) as long, you got the basic features of her down, you are drawing Swift correctly!!! (I don't know if this makes sense lol)

I noticed a silly thing, but every time you draw Swift in higher canvas size she looks just a bit different then the other. It's not like It's something bad, but it's just funny seeing her change just a tiny bit in every art. (There's actually multiple Swifts!1!1 She's being cloned!!! :ohsnap:)
Yeah, that's due to me being inconsistent when drawing her, it's a common thing with me XD

And personally this is my favorite way you drew her! (Outside of in-game sprites.)
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She looks so scrunkly here. Silly even. Wacky perhaps... Very adorable looking fellow. And what's the thing with her hand posing? Is there any specific reason why she has her hands like that? Or is it just a personality-showcase thingy. Either way, it's pretty silly too. :3
Yeah, it's just a personality-showcase thing, she is indeed, very silly until, she turns super, then she's not silly... :threat:
 
(I would show it but it's terrible, like, really terrible)
Put it in the sprites folder then... :knuxsmug: (Or no ballz >:>)
Nahhh, you draw her really good tbh, besides, there's really no wrong way to draw Swift (minus, the face/head-spikes position when drawing her in the front, you have to draw her in specific way) as long, you got the basic features of her down, you are drawing Swift correctly!!! (I don't know if this makes sense lol)
Thanks for that! But my sweet spot for Swift ”drawing style” is something between the sprite work and the reference that I used in the spoiler.
Yeah, that's due to me being inconsistent when drawing her, it's a common thing with me XD
Okay then! Even for me it took a long time to get to the sweet spot of body proportions when drawing the credits fan-art. And I guess that not everyone has the patience to redraw a single line 10 times before you get the best result. So yeah, that makes sense.
Yeah, it's just a personality-showcase thing, she is indeed, very silly until, she turns super, then she's not silly... :threat:
I guess I was right about this being the case then. Does that mean she gets the dark/archie sonic treatment in super form? :neutral: She’s gonna get her edgy phase with those emeralds. :knuxsmug:
 
Put it in the sprites folder then... :knuxsmug: (Or no ballz >:>)
Alright Bet :blink:

TESTING - Swift V2_ SUPER NiGHTS DEMO
The only important thing worth checking is the NIGHTS stuff, no proper In-game Super Form yet

(Also, the added 1.1 sprites is here as well lol)
 

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Alright Bet :blink:

TESTING - Swift V2_ SUPER NiGHTS DEMO
The only important thing worth checking is the NIGHTS stuff, no proper In-game Super Form yet

(Also, the added 1.1 sprites is here as well lol)
I just randomly got up from my bed to get a sip of water and I decided to take a small peek at the MB and you just randomly released a whole demo. xD Will check it out tomorrow as always. :D it seems that my ”third eye” passive works as intented.
 
Alright Bet :blink:

TESTING - Swift V2_ SUPER NiGHTS DEMO
The only important thing worth checking is the NIGHTS stuff, no proper In-game Super Form yet

(Also, the added 1.1 sprites is here as well lol)
So first of all, the super form sprites look really detailed and I like that her super form looks even sharper than her regular form, it really sells the "until she turns super, then she's not silly... :threat:" vibe, that's a really good character design choice!

And I'll sadly have to do a thing that I hate to do, and it's being critical of something. :C So some sprites weren't changed, and they still look quite mlem. And it's kinda jarring to see some really good looking sprites and then [insert jump/fall back angle.lmp] And for me the worst thing about all that is I'm not sure if some of my criticism is just nit-picking or If I sub-consciously say that you should redo 75% of all sprites. :C (I myself might remake some if I feel like it.) I just want be sure that your own character will properly showcased in a way that you will be proud of.

And with that stuff out of the way, either you or I messed up with the credits. So I fixed those for you!
So I feel like I worded poorly the thing about crediting the artists for their art. So I just decided to don't bother you and credited them myself in a way so everyone can see who made what without having to data-mine! (I also made the text colored by their pfp's color pallete! :D)
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And why there's less extra art now. :C I mean it's not like it's bad but it's still a nice thing to have. And the drawing tutorial wasn't as different to my version, but yeah, there was just way too much words... But still, you can keep the drawing "rules" (like the Tyson Hesse spikes.) but just get rid of the word explanation and use the red colored line thingy instead.
 
So first of all, the super form sprites look really detailed and I like that her super form looks even sharper than her regular form, it really sells the "until she turns super, then she's not silly... :threat:" vibe, that's a really good character design choice!
Thanksss

And I'll sadly have to do a thing that I hate to do, and it's being critical of something. :C So some sprites weren't changed, and they still look quite mlem. And it's kinda jarring to see some really good looking sprites and then [insert jump/fall back angle.lmp] And for me the worst thing about all that is I'm not sure if some of my criticism is just nit-picking or If I sub-consciously say that you should redo 75% of all sprites. :C (I myself might remake some if I feel like it.) I just want be sure that your own character will properly showcased in a way that you will be proud of.
Again, Sorry about that,
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I did actually change (well not changed but ""improved"" some sprites but it's very minor) and personally, in the state it's in, I think the sprites are decent/passable at best (to me at least) and like I said before "The sprites are going to look like shitty MS-Paint drawings" lol and again, I REALLY don't want to come off as "ignorant asshole who don't listen criticism" (as I hate that mindset) but next time, I will try to improve majority on the more worst-er sprites when I get the chance but I need some examples on what to improve XD

Also, nah your criticism very, very, valid and really helpful (hell, every criticism that I gotten, is helpful lol), even if you don't see the changes, I still acknowledge them greatly!!!

And with that stuff out of the way, either you or I messed up with the credits. So I fixed those for you!

So I feel like I worded poorly the thing about crediting the artists for their art. So I just decided to don't bother you and credited them myself in a way so everyone can see who made what without having to data-mine! (I also made the text colored by their pfp's color pallete! :D)
Oh damn, thanks I can finally get rid of that dumb txt file, I will put these in the 1.1 File

And why there's less extra art now. :C I mean it's not like it's bad but it's still a nice thing to have. And the drawing tutorial wasn't as different to my version, but yeah, there was just way too much words... But still, you can keep the drawing "rules" (like the Tyson Hesse spikes.) but just get rid of the word explanation and use the red colored line thingy instead.
Going to sound like a broken record here because, I don't anyone getting disappointed or mad at me, that puts too much pressure on me sorry about that, didn't really have any new drawing ideas at the time, plus, for every new version, I plan to remove some pervious drawings and replaced them with new ones because for 1. To have new things to check in and 2. File Size lol and this demo is just a WIP, it prob have more drawings once I get finished with everything

Also, I actually did a new improved How-To rn, you see it when the actual 1.1 version actually comes out
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I mean, they could make a version with the old sprites AND new sprites(if they make them), that way people can choose!
A SSNSonic and Sonic situation!
That's actually a really good idea! (but I don't know the idea on how I can actually do it tho...)
 
Well, my idea is that you KEEP your current one, put it under a different name, and also release your new sprited Swift if you do them!
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also, for the current one, are you talking about the older Swift where's she's more pixeled or the new one I'm doing rn
because I can prob released OLD-Swift but she's going to be unfinished
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also, for the current one, are you talking about the older Swift where's she's more pixeled or the new one I'm doing rn
because I can prob released OLD-Swift but she's going to be unfinished
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Whichever you want.
Maybe give the old one the new ones moves so that it truly is akin to a SSNSonic and Sonic situation, and that they're technically the same, but different.
 
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Again, Sorry about that, I did actually change (well not changed but ""improved"" some sprites but it's very minor)
It’s okay, I guess I just overreacted a bit when I saw that most sprites are the same. (I feel like I should be the one sorry because I kinda ”demanded” instant change.)
and personally, in the state it's in, I think the sprites are decent/passable at best (to me at least)
I kinda forgot that even after everything I did this is still your addon, I used to have a mental guard-rail so I wouldn’t forgot about that but overtime it faded away and now I feel kinda bad about it.
and like I said before "The sprites are going to look like shitty MS-Paint drawings" lol and again, I REALLY don't want to come off as "ignorant asshole who don't listen criticism" (as I hate that mindset) but next time, I will try to improve majority on the more worst-er sprites when I get the chance but I need some examples on what to improve XD
I mean, looking at how good I’m at recreating your drawing style I think I could redraw some sprites myself, or just edit them instead of full on recreating. (But remaking seems more fun to me.)
Or maybe you could do the stuff you really wanna get into first, and then redraw the sprites. Or just remake few sprites per patch/update.
And for examples, so that might really time consuming for me, but I might do a list of stuff that could be changed and maybe I will put even some sprites myself to better show what I mean.
Also, nah your criticism very, very, valid and really helpful (hell, every criticism that I gotten, is helpful lol), even if you don't see the changes, I still acknowledge them greatly!!!
I actually noticed this in action while looking at sprites in new builds.
Oh damn, thanks I can finally get rid of that dumb txt file, I will put these in the 1.1 File
Yeah, this is what I originally had in mind with crediting the art, but I think I just didn’t explained it good enough the first time around.
Going to sound like a broken record here because, I don't anyone getting disappointed or mad at me, that puts too much pressure on me
I didn’t mean to do that! :C
sorry about that, didn't really have any new drawing ideas at the time, plus, for every new version, I plan to remove some pervious drawings and replaced them with new ones
What I meant here is that I’m not sad because there’s no NEW art but because some of it isn’t here anymore, some of your art is pretty cool looking I don’t like the scenario of these just being forgotten in a limbo inside of a old W.I.P build. (It’s not like there’s any public place with all your Swift art in one place too.)
because for 1. To have new things to check in and 2. File Size lol and this demo is just a WIP, it prob have more drawings once I get finished with everything
You mean more new stuff for people like me to find inside the files? If yes then yea, I always look forward to new silly artwork in any new builds. :> And I also care a bit too much about file size sometimes, so I understand this. -.-
Also, I actually did a new improved How-To rn, you see it when the actual 1.1 version actually comes out.
Gonna check it out when I get the chance. And I have a question. Is this build newer than the one that’s inside the actual final release? Is this ”demo” actually has more content than the official version of this addon? xD This is a pretty silly situation if that’s the case.

And I like the old/new sprite idea! Even If I prefer the new higher detail sprites, I still pretty much vibe with the old ones, and they’re pretty quick n’ easy to make so I don’t think this would take that much. (And yet again, I might try doing some sprites in this form too. But I think the best move is to add new sprites only when the main version gets remade ones so they won’t be incosistent with each other.)
 
What I meant here is that I’m not sad because there’s no NEW art but because some of it isn’t here anymore, some of your art is pretty cool looking I don’t like the scenario of these just being forgotten in a limbo inside of a old W.I.P build. (It’s not like there’s any public place with all your Swift art in one place too.)
Ohhh, but they not gone gone, I still have them saved, just in case
(maybe when I get done with updating Swift, I can compile them in folder or something)

Gonna check it out when I get the chance. And I have a question. Is this build newer than the one that’s inside the actual final release? Is this ”demo” actually has more content than the official version of this addon? xD This is a pretty silly situation if that’s the case.
Technically, this is built off the 1.1 patch, as that it's done rn, it's just going to release as a quick-patch when 1.0/Release version eventually get approved, this just a WIP showcasing of what's V2 aka the next "major" version will have (plus Spear) still debating if this version is going to have those SRB2 cutscenes or not lol
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Man, I'm so disappointed in myself, I feel like I don't wanna work on this shit anymore as it's too basic without LUA or custom coding shit
Those SRB2 discord people was fuckin right... goddamn it
 
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Man, I'm so disappointed in myself, I feel like I don't wanna work on this shit anymore as it's too basic without LUA or custom coding shit
Those SRB2 discord people was fuckin right... goddamn it
What is brother yapping about now! Does over 100 sprite for a playable character + custom credits + custom super form + extras + two sprite sets + and support for like 5 addons, does all that seems basic to you? Well, not for me, that’s for sure.
Please don’t do whathever you have in mind right now... :C So I will put up an example, when I released my E.C it was in way worse state than it is now, atleast that’s what other people made me feel like, (I’m sorry If I’m someway at fault here too.) and I don’t have further context for your situation but in my early reviews most of stuff was weirdly toxic for no actual reason, these infuenced me, because I focused on the negatives and now look at my me, being proud in my ”bad” work and starting to make it even better. You can do this 180 too, even now you’re already doing this, you just haven’t noticed it, this addon is already 101% better than if you decided to stick with the ”poorly drawn” tag line! (And again I have no context, but discord... look how people at global social media behave and look at these small closed-bubble forums. It’s just better enviroment for these kinds of projects.) Just remember this, when even one person wants to see your work finished in with it’s full potential and does everything to make it better instead of just spitting acid demanding change. Then it’s worth the hassle.

Also, are you going through something on the emotional side of things? Because I see the same pattern with me sometimes. Worse mental state = low self esteem and wanting to just slam dunk it and forget that it existed. If that’s the case then you should take a break for both this project and for yourself. Been here before, and I had this stuff going on way to much times to just ignore it in others. :worry:
 
What is brother yapping about now! Does over 100 sprite for a playable character + custom credits + custom super form + extras + two sprite sets + and support for like 5 addons, does all that seems basic to you? Well, not for me, that’s for sure.
Please don’t do whathever you have in mind right now... :C So I will put up an example, when I released my E.C it was in way worse state than it is now, atleast that’s what other people made me feel like, (I’m sorry If I’m someway at fault here too.) and I don’t have further context for your situation but in my early reviews most of stuff was weirdly toxic for no actual reason, these infuenced me, because I focused on the negatives and now look at my me, being proud in my ”bad” work and starting to make it even better. You can do this 180 too, even now you’re already doing this, you just haven’t noticed it, this addon is already 101% better than if you decided to stick with the ”poorly drawn” tag line! (And again I have no context, but discord... look how people at global social media behave and look at these small closed-bubble forums. It’s just better enviroment for these kinds of projects.) Just remember this, when even one person wants to see your work finished in with it’s full potential and does everything to make it better instead of just spitting acid demanding change. Then it’s worth the hassle.
I mean, apparently to the SRB2 Discord, that really doesn't matter, it's too basic for them because it had no Custom LUA or something like that, literally try ask for proper criticism and all they said was "what is to criticize about it" constantly, kinda puts down little bit I always knew the SRB2 Discord is toxic but this kinda proves my point even more... but at least I gotta single proper criticism for someone out of it, that kinda makes me happy, I guess and no, doesn't mean, I'm going to cancelled this, I kinda work too hard for to quit now especially after having to redo sprites, also I'm pretty sure making an actual stage is much more harder than what I'm doing now, just making a Fang/Amy character with nothing special about them but ehhhh, I still continue work on this, but only because I just wanna get done with it, don't feel bad for me, I prob get over it in the end.
 
I mean, apparently to the SRB2 Discord, that really doesn't matter, it's too basic for them because it had no Custom LUA or something like that, literally try ask for proper criticism and all they said was "what is to criticize about it"
Typical discord using individuals I guess, even from 4chan came out more good stuff than from discord. :worry:
I always knew the SRB2 Discord is toxic but this kinda proves my point even more... but at least I gotta single proper criticism for someone out of it, that kinda makes me happy, I guess
I think that SRB2MB is already the best possible spot for actual-real critizism. There’s a standard for trying to be welcoming on this forum so that may be the reason why it’s this way.
also I'm pretty sure making an actual stage is much more harder than what I'm doing now, just making a Fang/Amy character with nothing special about them but ehhhh,
I already was thinking about it before, and I guess it depends? If I do a stage that’s highly ambitious with 3 minute stages then it’ll make sense it’s hard and time-consuming to produce. And about sprites, It depends on quality, experience and amount of them. And yeah, normally for any character sprite sheet there’s ALWAYS a lot of them. I’m still not sure what is harder to make even to this day...
I still continue work on this, but only because I just wanna get done with it, don't feel bad for me, I prob get over it in the end.
I can tell that you have different additude towards this addon now. :C
 
Typical discord using individuals I guess, even from 4chan came out more good stuff than from discord. :worry:

I think that SRB2MB is already the best possible spot for actual-real critizism. There’s a standard for trying to be welcoming on this forum so that may be the reason why it’s this way.
Yeah true, I thought with the more people that the SRB2 Discord had, I can get more feedback but nahhhh, they just ignore me and go after the same better looking reposted sprite for the 20th time lol, I should just stick to the feedback in this thread

And about sprites, It depends on quality, experience and amount of them. And yeah, normally for any character sprite sheet there’s ALWAYS a lot of them. I’m still not sure what is harder to make even to this day...
I guess, spriting is more harder, as you be more constantly have to on-model for every sprite and have shading and Swift has none of that (maybe that's why I get done faster) due me sticking to my own art-style rule and lucky, no-one in the SRB2 Discord actually call the sprites bad in general, it was just alright, they said but the "nothing to criticize" statement is still worse for me, as to me at least, kinda shows it's just worthless basic slop without any custom LUA.

I can tell that you have different additude towards this addon now. :C
like I said, I prob grow out of it
 
Ohhh, but they not gone gone, I still have them saved, just in case
(maybe when I get done with updating Swift, I can compile them in folder or something)


Technically, this is built off the 1.1 patch, as that it's done rn, it's just going to release as a quick-patch when 1.0/Release version eventually get approved, this just a WIP showcasing of what's V2 aka the next "major" version will have (plus Spear) still debating if this version is going to have those SRB2 cutscenes or not lol
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Man, I'm so disappointed in myself, I feel like I don't wanna work on this shit anymore as it's too basic without LUA or custom coding shit
Those SRB2 discord people was fuckin right... goddamn it
Gaddammit, why do you human beings give up so easily!?
You've worked too dayum hard to stahp.
You can persist. I FAKKING BELEEVE IN YUU!
 

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