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Definitely go with the "100". Nothing could represent score better in a Sonic game, you also see it every time you destroy an enemy! About the blue Special Stage emblem, if it's a placeholder for the A-Rank emblem (as SpiritCrusher says), I'd say use an "A".
By the way, what's the symbol on the first SS emblem?
By the way, what's the symbol on the first SS emblem?
To me, a flag would indicate something more like time attack than a score.
Does that leave PTS out? Or maybe just the letter P? That makes more sense than Kanji to me.
I don't know, I thought the disproportionately long ovular planets and Unregistered Hypercam 2 logo were a brilliant new direction for SRB2!
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Sergeant Brown
An Eggman Fan
I still have no idea why card symbols for character-specific emblems. And what is that gray heart emblem anyway?
Ah yes, you are totally right. I forgot about people with color blindness. I guess it is better to do both.
I think 100 fits much better than the random Kanji symbol which no one will get at all.
speed2411
Speed2411
Does it really matter? Really? Ask yourself, what will i gain? It does not really make a difference to you. The only bad thing would be new players, but they learn eventually, so really, they both mean points, and the only way i will change my view point, is if they replace it with some random thing, like a Justin Bieber head, but that will never happen, so yeah.
Aegix
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You know...if it's really so confusing, put a "emblem guide" in the menu.
When you select it, it shows you the icon, and the name and how to get it.
ex: *star emblem* "Hidden emblem - Find it hidden in the level"
*100 emblem* "score emblem - earned for reaching x points in the level"
*shrug*
When you select it, it shows you the icon, and the name and how to get it.
ex: *star emblem* "Hidden emblem - Find it hidden in the level"
*100 emblem* "score emblem - earned for reaching x points in the level"
*shrug*
Guys, we're not using the 100. If we're fixing this issue, we're fixing it properly, and that means using an icon and not a character or group of characters that has any direct written meaning in English, Japanese, or any other language. This means that "100", "Sc", "Pt", or any other similar suggestion is off the table. If you want to suggest new ideas or present a variation of an old one, feel free, but this isn't a popularity contest and saying "I agree" isn't going to accomplish anything.
speed2411
Speed2411
There is such irony in this,
But i agree with Mystic. As long as it is clear, not confusing, i am fine with it.
Edit: Is it the "I's"?
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Unknownlight
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How does "100" mean different things in different languages? Arabic numerals are used essentially worldwide. "100" also has clear connotations with the concept of points, dating all the way back to pinball machines. Both Mario and Sonic games, along with other classic platformers, display an "100" whenever you defeat an enemy. It seems pretty obvious to me. (And that's not me mindlessly repeating and justifying popular opinion—I came up with the idea in the first place. I'm allowed to argue for it, dammit.)
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The problem with the "100" icon is that it immediately begs the question "one hundred of what?" While 100 points are commonly granted for hitting enemies, the number "100" is used in the game quite a bit for quite a lot of things, and the most relevant one isn't even score. If you're going to go with enemy destruction as your motif, then the suggestion of using a Crawla or a Flicky is far better.
Violo
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This is a really crazy idea; but what if a symbol of certain meaning can be added at the end of a stage next to the SCORE at the end of a stage (maybe near the enemy bonus?). If you do that, then you can use the same symbol for the emblem.
If you make the player associate with that symbol early in the game, then they will understand when they achieve the goal. Even as simple as a pentagon or something. Maybe even have the three areas being recorded at the level with the emblems next to it.
That's what I think, I'm not sure if that will clash with the current UI or if the devs are willing to rework the result screen to fit a single symbol for this. But hey, just throwing it out there.
If you make the player associate with that symbol early in the game, then they will understand when they achieve the goal. Even as simple as a pentagon or something. Maybe even have the three areas being recorded at the level with the emblems next to it.
That's what I think, I'm not sure if that will clash with the current UI or if the devs are willing to rework the result screen to fit a single symbol for this. But hey, just throwing it out there.
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Unknownlight
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@Mystic:
Point taken. I decided to test it with my dad, who played the original SMB when he was younger.
Me: Okay, so pretend that this is for a Mario game. You win emblems by fulfilling certain conditions within levels.
Dad: Okay.
Me: You win the one with the hourglass by beating a level within a certain amount of time.
Dad: Right.
Me: You win the one with the ring—this game's equivalent of coins—by getting a certain amount of rings within the level.
Dad: Okay. What's the point of this, again?
Me: Nothing much. Just asking a question. How do you think you would get the one in the center? What does the hundred represent?
Dad: *pause* ...Points?
Me: Exactly! Thanks, Dad.
That's only one test, sure, but undoubtably more people will understand that the "100" refers to points than there will be people who recognize Kanji. "100" is really not as confusing as you think it is. Test it with people.
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...But you're using a Kanji symbol. That means "score". How is that any different from using "Pt."?
Point taken. I decided to test it with my dad, who played the original SMB when he was younger.
Me: Okay, so pretend that this is for a Mario game. You win emblems by fulfilling certain conditions within levels.
Dad: Okay.
Me: You win the one with the hourglass by beating a level within a certain amount of time.
Dad: Right.
Me: You win the one with the ring—this game's equivalent of coins—by getting a certain amount of rings within the level.
Dad: Okay. What's the point of this, again?
Me: Nothing much. Just asking a question. How do you think you would get the one in the center? What does the hundred represent?
Dad: *pause* ...Points?
Me: Exactly! Thanks, Dad.
That's only one test, sure, but undoubtably more people will understand that the "100" refers to points than there will be people who recognize Kanji. "100" is really not as confusing as you think it is. Test it with people.
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...But you're using a Kanji symbol. That means "score". How is that any different from using "Pt."?
What's funny is that the "100 points of what" excuse falls apart considering you only see the emblem once you've obtained it, meaning the player by then would already know it represents points and not a specific requirement of them. That said, its really boiled down to whatever represents it better in general in the long run: what most people understand and will after they've gotten the emblem itself, or something that was snuck in for the reason THAT NO ONE getting it is okay because then the specification-nazis can't bash us for it.
If I were to pick my poison it'd be Pt., or 100. Kanji is just out of place and ridiculous anyways, it should just be ruled out if you're picking options. I'd rather there be two second confusion about getting 100 of something than not knowing what the emblem is at all.
If it is really necessary to have everything be an icon or symbol, and not just make an exception this one time, I've pretty much just clocked out at this point.
If I were to pick my poison it'd be Pt., or 100. Kanji is just out of place and ridiculous anyways, it should just be ruled out if you're picking options. I'd rather there be two second confusion about getting 100 of something than not knowing what the emblem is at all.
If it is really necessary to have everything be an icon or symbol, and not just make an exception this one time, I've pretty much just clocked out at this point.
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I think you all have made it clear that you don't like our lazy solution to the problem. That doesn't mean we're going to sit down and use another lazy reactionary answer like "Sc" or "100". Give us time to think about it, and if you have a good suggestion that fits in well with the rest of the icons, feel free.
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Gentlemen, I believe I have a solution that will please everyone.
As for an actual solution, I'd still be up for SOME way to show a Crawla or other badnik, but with such a small space, it's rather difficult. Having any form of text just really sticks out and looks odd, especially since not a single other emblem is like this. As much as it needs changing... I'm running a blank. I can't even come up with anything that COULD be the solution if size wasn't an issue. a sillowette of a badnik or small animal just wouldn't get the detail needed to be anything but a strange geometric shape that could be anything. Score is just a number, and given how score is earned purely through badniks and post-level bonuses, there isn't much to go off of.
...And before anyone things "Bonus = Signpost", that just looks like act completion.
As for an actual solution, I'd still be up for SOME way to show a Crawla or other badnik, but with such a small space, it's rather difficult. Having any form of text just really sticks out and looks odd, especially since not a single other emblem is like this. As much as it needs changing... I'm running a blank. I can't even come up with anything that COULD be the solution if size wasn't an issue. a sillowette of a badnik or small animal just wouldn't get the detail needed to be anything but a strange geometric shape that could be anything. Score is just a number, and given how score is earned purely through badniks and post-level bonuses, there isn't much to go off of.
...And before anyone things "Bonus = Signpost", that just looks like act completion.
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