Adventure Sonic (v1.9) v1.8c (v1.9 temp-banned)

[DylanDude]

This is starting to turn into hate speech rather than it is about resolving the issue over sprites where you have Sonic curling into a ball.

"Hate Speech" is defined as "abusive or threatening speech or writing that expresses prejudice on the basis of ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, or similar grounds" by Oxford Languages. We are not threatening Shine or Wario because of their race or sexuality, that's an absurd assertion. We're just enforcing the same rules we hold for everyone.

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The ones who were in TAG 2 years ago should've known the actual reasons things escalated to a content ban too.

I do remember the actual reasons, and I also remember the conversations we had there at the time. I think we all remember what we said, don't we?

But it'd be reckless to clog our public thread with graphic evidence and sensitive details unrelated to SA-Sonic.

It sounds very odd to me to specifically say we shouldn't post "graphic evidence" of what was said back then. No, if you're going to make public accusations about us being unfair towards you with regards to "the situation in TAG from two years ago", then I am more than prepared to offer evidence of what we all said at the time. That includes what you said. Sounds fair, no? You don't get to make public accusations then hide from the consequences in a private chat.

Is there a reason you want to bring up those old conversations as points against us, but don't want us posting evidence of them? There's hardly anything sensitive in them.

 

[Markius]

Besides the joke, locking this thread would literally be denying free speech + actual people who wanna discuss the mod

 

[HenryStickminFan2]

Besides the joke, locking this thread would literally be denying free speech + actual people who wanna discuss the mod

good point.

 

[Blitz_140]

esse mod é top
:maravilhoso:

 

[Wowawesome23]

Apologies if I misinterpreted something myself here, a lot of this isn't my business and something could've been said off-forum but..

What I propose is:
When I'm ready, I'll shoot staff Discord DMs inviting them to a group conversation. There, I'll lay everything on the table in an easily digestible way that can't be misinterpreted so easily. I will answer your questions, and you can answer mine as well. We'll clear this up in 1 or 2 days tops, apologize to each other for any misunderstandings and distrust, then evaluate where we stand then.

And my response to that is: why in the fuck are you not only still in contact with Icezer and SuperPhanto, but proposing we hop into a group chat with them to retrudge through an already solved matter? What would that accomplish that you couldn't here?

Where does it say that Golden Shine is going to bring Icezer and SuperPhanto into the group conversation? The way I see it, "them" in GS' words is referring to just him, and you guys. AKA, the moderators.
Resolved.

 

[RoyKirbs]

Apologies if I misinterpreted something myself here, a lot of this isn't my business and something could've been said off-forum but..


Where does it say that Golden Shine is going to bring Icezer and SuperPhanto into the group conversation? The way I see it, "them" in GS' words is referring to just him, and you guys. AKA, the moderators.

The paragraph directly below the one you quoted:

Not only staff I happen to DM would be "allowed". Feel free to bring any staff you'd trust with sensitive topics. In return, I'll be allowed to bring in people directly impacted by this whole shtick. If I can't prove a relation, you can object to their presence. And if you demand Icezer not show at all, that's totally fine by me! She was barely all that relevant anyhow...

He's directly saying he wants to be allowed to bring whomever he wishes to a group DM and directly calls out Icezer as someone "[we can] demand Icezer not show up at all"

Hardly sounds like he wants a one to mods conversation.

 

[stars410]

i hope we get a 06 type update that changes his animations and move set

 

[U.Flame]

Something I've really appreciated about the mod team is their willingness to keep these discussions out in the open. People getting out of hand is resolved by banning offending users igniting flame wars rather than locking the thread entirely. I don't think its unfair to want to talk about this, and I really hope Golden Shine is willing to talk this out in public rather than in private. It would be nice if everyone did get their misunderstandings resolved, and we can see every side of the story so it'll be much harder to claim something was taken out of context

 

[DylanDude]

Something I've really appreciated about the mod team is their willingness to keep these discussions out in the open. People getting out of hand is resolved by banning offending users igniting flame wars rather than locking the thread entirely. I don't think its unfair to want to talk about this, and I really hope Golden Shine is willing to talk this out in public rather than in private. It would be nice if everyone did get their misunderstandings resolved, and we can see every side of the story so it'll be much harder to claim something was taken out of context

Yeah, this. It's much better for transparency if these conversations are carried out in public rather than behind closed doors.

 

[*GOOFYRAT!*]

Yeah, this. It's much better for transparency if these conversations are carried out in public rather than behind closed doors.

Based DylanDude. >:3

 

[Bartz]

Something I've really appreciated about the mod team is their willingness to keep these discussions out in the open. People getting out of hand is resolved by banning offending users igniting flame wars rather than locking the thread entirely. I don't think its unfair to want to talk about this, and I really hope Golden Shine is willing to talk this out in public rather than in private. It would be nice if everyone did get their misunderstandings resolved, and we can see every side of the story so it'll be much harder to claim something was taken out of context

I mean is it really? I feel like if they actually want to resolve the conflict, it would be done in private. You can't have a serious discussions about this serious matter in a forum mostly inhabited by kids.

At the end of the day, this situation that doesn't concern us and I doubt anyone that doesn't know the entire context (i.e 90% of this thread (myself included)) would have anything to add to this.

If you asked me I would say that this is really unfair to the people that created adventure sonic. The fact that this was done despite the fact that you should always "separate the art from the artist" in situations like these, Even more so because this is a self proclaimed "art community". I just find it baffling.

But comments like these aren't going to resolve the situation at hand. Sure I got my idea across but this isn't getting us anywhere, is it?

I personally don't want more oil to be added to the flames, I want the flames to be extinguished so that this mod can continue having more awesome and fun updates. So for the sake of everyone, I do feel like the staff should take up his offer. This would be the best outcome and it would resolve the situation smoothly.

 

[DylanDude]

I feel like if they actually want to resolve the conflict, it would be done in private. You can't have a serious discussions about this serious matter in a forum mostly inhabited by kids.

Except we're not debating the sensitive details of how Zeuvia (Icezer) groomed someone and Phanto tried to help her get away with it, we're talking about how Phanto's not been allowed to contribute to the MB for years. The actual details of the situation were already released in a public document so everyone would know to stay away from both of them.

he fact that this was done despite the fact that you should always "separate the art from the artist" in situations like these, Even more so because this is a self proclaimed "art community". I just find it baffling.

"Separate the art from the artist" is not a valid solution to this because the problem at hand isn't whether or not we think Phanto is a good artist. The matter is that we are not going to allow someone who tried to help a groomer escape the consequences of their actions continue to contribute to this community. That would be stupid of us, especially in a place so full of minors.

 

[*GOOFYRAT!*]

Except we're not debating the sensitive details of how Zeuvia (Icezer) groomed someone and Phanto tried to help her get away with it, we're talking about how Phanto's not been allowed to contribute to the MB for years. The actual details of the situation were already released in a public document so everyone would know to stay away from both of them.

"Separate the art from the artist" is not a valid solution to this because the problem at hand isn't whether or not we think Phanto is a good artist. The matter is that we are not going to allow someone who tried to help a groomer escape the consequences of their actions continue to contribute to this community. That would be stupid of us, especially in a place so full of minors.

Ah. So that's what happened. Good to know.
But did you ever censor his art in mods like this beforehand or no? Askig cuz I genuinely can't remember. Drama at home kinda in my headspace lmao.

 

[DylanDude]

Ah. So that's what happened. Good to know.
But did you ever censor his art in mods like this beforehand or no? Askig cuz I genuinely can't remember. Drama at home kinda in my headspace lmao.

You're still totally free to use assets from Phanto's (Open Assets) mods already on this platform. That's absolutely fine. I just approved this mod using old assets by Phanto the other day, actually. You just can't allow him to make active contributions to anything you intend to release here. The problem is not the art, it's that we do not want him contributing here anymore.

It's very rare that anyone tries to submit anything with new contributions by Phanto anymore, but yes we have held this standard whenever someone does. I remember personally telling the Sonic Robo Smash (now Ardent Blast) team that Phanto's contributions would prevent the mod from being approved here, and they were subsequently removed.

 

[*GOOFYRAT!*]

You're still totally free to use assets from Phanto's (Open Assets) mods already on this platform. That's absolutely fine. I just approved this mod using old assets by Phanto the other day, actually. You just can't allow him to make active contributions to anything you intend to release here. The problem is not the art, it's that we do not want him contributing here anymore.

It's very rare that anyone tries to submit anything with new contributions by Phanto anymore, but yes we have held this standard whenever someone does. I remember personally telling the Sonic Robo Smash (now Ardent Blast) team that Phanto's contributions would prevent the mod from being approved here, and they were subsequently removed.

Ah. Unfortunate, as SRB2 Smash was cool. But fair, I guess. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Jammin']

Ah. Unfortunate, as SRB2 Smash was cool. But fair, I guess. Thanks for clarifying.

He said that Phanto’s contributions were removed.
The SRB2Smash alpha build is still on the MB and the current iteration of the mod (Sonic Ardent Rush) is still in development.

 

[*GOOFYRAT!*]

He said that Phanto’s contributions were removed.
The SRB2Smash alpha build is still on the MB and the current iteration of the mod (Sonic Ardent Rush) is still in development.

Ah. I did not know. I mainly want to avoid arguing, especially with a mod. But you have a point.
So, if @DylanDude could explain, that would be great.

 

[DylanDude]

Ah. I did not know. I mainly want to avoid arguing, especially with a mod. But you have a point.
So, if @DylanDude could explain, that would be great.

Phanto's contributions from Sonic Ardent Rush were removed and things continued on without incident. That's all lol

 

[Chezi]

You're still totally free to use assets from Phanto's (Open Assets) mods already on this platform. That's absolutely fine. I just approved this mod using old assets by Phanto the other day, actually. You just can't allow him to make active contributions to anything you intend to release here. The problem is not the art, it's that we do not want him contributing here anymore.

It's very rare that anyone tries to submit anything with new contributions by Phanto anymore, but yes we have held this standard whenever someone does. I remember personally telling the Sonic Robo Smash (now Ardent Blast) team that Phanto's contributions would prevent the mod from being approved here, and they were subsequently removed.

Co-Lead Dev of Ardent Rush here, I can affirm this. It was a very smooth process of just being asked to remove his contributions and then simply replacing them with other assets

 

[SpicyHamSamson]

GoldenShine said that this discussion that needs to happen is about much more than just Adventure Sonic, and with that in mind...I feel like not everybody is on the same page as to what exactly is being discussed. It feels like the discussion of...whatever this bigger picture thing is and the discussion of "can you guys just make new sprites or use different ones, we'll let you reupload the new update if you do that" are two entirely different conversations at this point. Not unrelated conversations, but still separate conversations.
If I'm being honest, I'm not really sure how much discussion even needs to be had. Ultimately, any discussion would boil down to...what exactly? Whether or not the content ban should be reconsidered? Because if that's the case, I don't really think it matters. If those in charge of a community don't feel comfortable with a person or people participating in said community, then that's all that needs to be said. I'm not saying that these people can't change or grow or learn, but that doesn't mean anybody is obligated to forgive them or give them another chance.
If GoldenShine still wants to interact with people who have done controversial things, that's his choice. But if the people in charge of the SRB2 community don't want those people making contributions to it, that's their choice too. We should respect that, even if we don't like it or agree with it.