Add-on Ratings changes

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beakymagma said:
Can we please avoid making any additions that's similar to the star ranking system? I saw someone ask for an 'Uncool' button. Regardless if it's a joke or not. If something like that gets added we're going back to where we started. Let's make SRB2MB a place that's open to criticism when it comes to mods.
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The review system was made specifically so that you can give criticism. Thats like asking "can we make the deep fryer be able to deep fry things?" when it already can deep fry things. The stars were just a very simple form of said criticism, albeit it is way too simple, and thats why the 100 character minimum was a GOOD change, brought down by the removal of the stars. Thats generally what the majority of people speaking here agree with. If the stars stayed this would be a fully GOOD change and we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.
 
I'm not gonna lie here, this is discouraging... and I'm just someone who plays the game. Now it's going to be even more difficult to sort the good out from the bad and let the creator know the quality of what they made so they can improve. The removal of the main part of a rating system feels so wrong to me man.

Okay yeah, sure, not every Amazon product that's rated 5 stars is guaranteed to be good, but that doesn't mean Amazon should get rid of the main thing that lets their customers know the quality of a product. like come on this is way too safe:worry:
 
I like the idea of making reviews have a 100 minimum word count to try and encourage reviews to be actual reviews and not steam joke reviews but the rest of it seems... Huh. It just feels like an overcorrection at best and a half baked idea at worst. Review scores dont even show up on the reviews themselves at least while not logged in (I should have checked but I think I got too far in writing this to check) which I feel like it makes how the reviewer feels about the addon feel less clear. EDIT: checked and its regardless if you are logged in or not.
The reaction score thing not being the same as the reaction score has been brought up but I would like to point out that download score also is an indicator of popularity and has been there since the move. The COOL! being upgraded just makes it feel more like a like button on social media which IDK if that really is that good for modders since there is a kind of post that pops up time to time about a lesser known artist feeling like they get ignored as they have little to no likes while some other kind of artist gets hundreds of thousands of likes and I wouldnt be surprised if something similar happens with the COOL! system.
Ultimately I think this should have been thought out more because as it stands it's not really a good change even if it comes from the right place.
 
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blacc said:
To STJR: You should not worry this much about safety for others mods. This is not an art community, it's a modding community. You are caring too much about what others feel about your game and it's community to where you are doing everything else with your free time instead of making the game your community cares about.
Yes, you have lives, yes you have worries, but this is taking too much time for a minor update to drop. Please focus on your game more instead of focusing on the state of the community.
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Bit presumptuous. No idea from where you're pulling the idea that MB maintenance and game development are in any way mutually exclusive. Community initiatives primarily come from board staff, and they've our support on this.
 
Why is everyone so mad over a few stars? :dramahog:
Jokes aside...
Alright, gonna put my thoughts on this.
What if the stars were a toggleable setting? So some could use it, some couldn't. I like the star system, as it helps me find the least looked at mods by putting it in "rising" or whatever. And let me tell you, a lot of AWESOME mods don't get ANY attention!
But I DO understand the cool system. If you wanna play it safe, it does a well done job.
All in all, both good systems. But there's really no reason to argue, as it won't change anything. Only the staff have any real authority in this forum.
 
LeoTheHedgehog12 said:
If you're gonna remove the stars you might as well remove the reviews
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What's the point of that :welcometoreleases:?

Man, everyone rants about this whole change... I don't blame them for this. I would say that removing the stars feels weird, we got used to this ever since the start of the Xen age! I'm mean sure there's review bombing and all that stuff, but come on, we're supposed to get feedback from reviews or on other places. I also know it's still early to say, but I think we're heading in the wrong direction:worry:.
 
Whoexer9 said:
What's the point of that :welcometoreleases:?

Man, everyone rants about this whole change... I don't blame them for this. I would say that removing the stars feels weird, we got used to this ever since the start of the Xen age! I'm mean sure there's review bombing and all that stuff, but come on, we're supposed to get feedback from reviews or on other places. I also know it's still early to say, but I think we're heading in the wrong direction:worry:.
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There's no point of reviews if they remove the stars. At that point just use the discussion tab.
 
This website keeps becoming less and less competetive. First y'all turn the contests into collabs, now I can't even get mad about the 3 star rating on my mod.

I don't know, man. I live for contests. I want a fourth star and I'm gonna work for it, y'know? This fangame is almost 30 years old and now everything becomes as tiltproof as possible. I yearn for the old ways. When I saw that you're reworking the rating system, I was very interested, but this is basically just a removal.
 
Riolucariolu said:
This website keeps becoming less and less competetive. First y'all turn the contests into collabs, now I can't even get mad about the 3 star rating on my mod.

I don't know, man. I live for contests. I want a fourth star and I'm gonna work for it, y'know? This fangame is almost 30 years old and now everything becomes as tiltproof as possible. I yearn for the old ways. When I saw that you're reworking the rating system, I was very interested, but this is basically just a removal.
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i think whats going on is that the srb2 community is becoming way too beginner friendly. the stars system helped make it easy to see how much people liked your mod, the contests helped encourage doing better and winning, but now we could just half-ass everything and still get a "good job! this is great! i can see the effort you put into this!"

i love this game, ive been playing it since i was 8, and im happy to see new people, but how are they going to improve if we aren't able to give them something they can achieve by improving? the star system couldve helped motivate people to make people rate their mod even a star higher, it encourages effort, and now that its gone, are we just gonna wish for somebody to give our mods a "cool"?

my solution to this problem is to moderate the reviews more, keep the 100 character limit, and put up rules about how reviews should be wrote (e.x. dont roast the dude behind the mod for the mod he made, and stuff like that)
 
Saxa2007 said:
my solution to this problem is to moderate the reviews more, keep the 100 character limit, and put up rules about how reviews should be wrote (e.x. dont roast the dude behind the mod for the mod he made, and stuff like that)
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The review rules could be a good idea, but I think that instead of rules these could be replaced for reviewing instructions of some sort. (Which rules kinda do in the first place, but not exactly.)

I kinda could do these myself because I already have some good points, but I’m a bit afraid of saying something dum that doesn’t make sense. :dramahog:

And this idea feels like something that Charybdizs would do. And I feel that there was something similliar to this done already, but I think it was on how to accept critsizm in a healthy way instead of how to write proper reviews.
(I was actually right, there is something like that already but I looked for it in the news section instead of the showcase section. :oh: )


And I have another thing, when a modder gets low rating on an addon, then he may see it as a ”lost cause” and never update it nor come back to the ideas that could actually work even by updating some stuff without tearing everything down first.

(And it’s unfortunely another positive point for getting rid of stars. :C)

But I think that the first problem that should be destroyed is HOW people write reviews, instead of instantly getting rid of ratings. Because even without ratings available, there still will be people that write rude or hurtful reviews which won’t really make a difference in damage done to the creator, whatever the stars are present or not.

So in my opinion, that’s the core problem, not the star ratings.

(And also reviewers giving addons second chances after loads of improvements and updates, so that the creator will see and know that they’re on the right track towards improving their skills and works. And so they won’t feel like they are working and updating the ”bad” addons for nothing, which gets rid of the ”lost cause” problem and also gives them something to achive and work towards as Saxa said. Which is a negative for removing the stars because without them you can’t really see the improvment visually, like 2 stars turning into 4 stars after a re-review. I hope that makes sense. :<)
 
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