Add-on Ratings changes

We don't have to conform to the internet as a whole, we will make changes and decide what's acceptable on our servers. Feel free to make your own forum if you disagree!
ok, i'm sorry. it's just, as an artist, the removal of stars really hurt my feelings, because some of my art had 5 star ratings, but now they are gone, and it really discouraged me as an artist, so thats why i was fighting so hard, because the stars helped me feel better as an artist, and i'm sure they made other artists feel better when they got 5 stars, but i am sorry......... ;-;
 
This is an art community, it has been for years.
It's not considered an art community. This game has it's own identity for what it is. Even if you don't care about my opinion whether or not, it's still very true by standard reasons.

I still don't understand what's the point in having stars removed entirely, most message boards all have this, and makes reviews more viewable for first time SRB2 modders to find reviews that aren't randomize in a way that a modder won't be confused at. Whether it's a construtive review, or possibly a bad review that revolves around this person criticising their addon. While I can agree with Maril and Wumbo's statement. I can't really justify this change. Even if you won't bother changing, I can still argue and discuss about it.

That's all what I have to say. I still don't mind about the change, feels a bit insignificant. But at least kind of passable.
 
It's not considered an art community. This game has it's own identity for what it is. Even if you don't care about my opinion whether or not, it's still very true by standard reasons.

I still don't understand what's the point in having stars removed entirely, most message boards all have this, and makes reviews more viewable for first time SRB2 modders to find reviews that aren't randomize in a way that a modder won't be confused at. Whether it's a construtive review, or possibly a bad review that revolves around this person criticising their addon. While I can agree with Maril and Wumbo's statement. I can't really justify this change. Even if you won't bother changing, I can still argue and discuss about it.

That's all what I have to say. I still don't mind about the change, feels a bit insignificant. But at least kind of passable.
I appreciate your tone! It's good to have opinions, and I thank you for being respectful!
At this point all we can do is wait and see how this change actually affects people in real time. We'll all probably be more informed on this change after experiencing it for a bit.
 
I appreciate your tone! It's good to have opinions, and I thank you for being respectful!
At this point all we can do is wait and see how this change actually affects people in real time. We'll all probably be more informed on this change after experiencing it for a bit.
Thank you. I didn't wanna take in-action and be serious about this, I only got frustrated (a little) till I felt like it was time that I discuss. Even if you can't judge the appropriate time to talk, you can at least summarize people's opinions. I wanted to only speak because I thought it was the appropriate time to discuss. And I did.
 
I dont make art since i dont draw stuff, i make mods, which is different on it's own. :p
That's fair, but also keep in mind the many creators who map and sprite their own characters.
Artists do make up a large part of this community, but I suppose it isn't completely fair to classify all creators as artists if they don't view code as paint to a canvas.

Even so, I do believe that coders can also be affected by the review system, so my points can apply to them as well.
 
That's fair, but also keep in mind the many creators who map and sprite their own characters.
Artists do make up a large part of this community, but I suppose it isn't completely fair to classify all creators as artists if they don't view code as paint to a canvas.

Even so, I do believe that coders can also be affected by the review system, so my points can apply to them as well.
so if the stars are gone and you no longer care about the addon's quality, why there are still judges then? i mean, it could be removed as well and let the addons go instantly (from what i understand)
 
I dont make art since i dont draw stuff, i make mods, which is different on it's own. :p
I think what they mean by art isn't like picture that was drawn or modeled, but because its your work that your sharing to others. In a way I think anything could be seen as art
 
I think what they mean by art isn't like picture that was drawn or modeled, but because its your work that your sharing to others. In a way I think anything could be seen as art
Eh, i only view code as only code and that's it. there is no art in it xd
(no offense)
 
so if the stars are gone and you no longer care about the addon's quality, why there are still judges then? i mean, it could be removed as well and let the addons go instantly (from what i understand)
Judges only ensure that addons follow the guidelines, we don't reject addons for a lack of quality. Also this point, like other on this thread, assume that stars are the only measure of quality. This is not true.


I think what they mean by art isn't like picture that was drawn or modeled, but because its your work that your sharing to others. In a way I think anything could be seen as art
Yeah that's the philosophy of this website. You got it spot on!


Eh, i only view code as only code and that's it. there is no art in it xd
(no offense)
That's fine, but please be aware that others coders on this site may see their work as a form of art.
 
Judges only ensure that addons follow the guidelines, we don't reject addons for a lack of quality. Also this point, like other on this thread, assume that stars are the only measure of quality. This is not true.



Yeah that's the philosophy of this website. You got it spot on!



That's fine, but please be aware that others coders on this site may see their work as a form of art.
Alrighty then.
 
Eh, i only view code as only code and that's it. there is no art in it xd
(no offense)
I kena of course that's not really exactly art, but your still working on something you enjoy, I'm not saying everything is a drawing
 
I think what they mean by art isn't like picture that was drawn or modeled, but because its your work that your sharing to others. In a way I think anything could be seen as art
listen i know i am an artist but i don see code as art, i see sprites as art. if i put a 5 line momentum code together is that really art?
Also this point, like other on this thread, assume that stars are the only measure of quality. This is not true.
i have said this before, but you are correct, this is not true, but a mod that is reviewed with 5 stars is generally a good quality mod. thats what the community says is a quality mod, not what the actual mods quality is
 
Alright, I should probably lay my own cards on the table about this topic before I forget in a few hours. A fair warning though: I don't think I've ever posted a single review in the time since I joined the MB. Yes, I talk about addons I like on the Discord, but I've never posted a full scale review. (That's probably because one of my hobbies consists of playing tons and tons of custom maps and searching them top to bottom for emblems, so after a while some of them can start to blend in.)

First off, the requirement of 100 characters at minimum. I think this is a good change. A lot of reviews I see are things along the line of "this is good stuff" or "this sucks" without any further elaboration, so the requirement is a good addition, because it will actively incentivize going into detail about what someone liked or didn't like about a particular addon. Also, it means we'll start seeing less of this. (Not to be a jerk or anything, but I'm not exactly sure what to gather from this.)
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Second, the removal of the star system as a whole. This one I'm very iffy on. On one hand, I can see why the decision was made and I can see the positives for it. Review-bombing can be a pretty big issue, and one that many things, not just SRB2 addons, have suffered from. Aside from a theoretical strongest review bomb, this is probably the one I think of most often.
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Also, I agree with the notion that stars are not the only metric of what judges can addon's quality. I think all addons should, at the very least, be given the benefit of the doubt and tried out, provided they pass the requirements of what it takes to have your addon be hosted here.

On the other hand, it's now not as easy to check if an addon is a good time or not. Taking Adventure Sonic as an example, this addon having a 5 star rating instantly tells you that this is easily one of the jewels in the crown of "hell yeah, this is fantastic." With the removal of the star system, new users can't exactly tell which ones are pretty good unless they glance at the "Top resources" section on the left, thinking about it as I'm typing this, isn't hard to miss. There is also the "Latest reviews" section, which also might not be hard to spot, but I'm not sure if most people feel inclined to click on those.
Additionally, and this one might be more of a nitpick if anything, but now the space where the stars were just feels... empty. I wish I could elaborate further on this one, but there's not much to say. Maybe put some extra information like views, file size, or, hell, even the MD5 hash there?
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Overall, I think the rating changes are so-so. 100 characters minimum for reviews is cool, but the axing of the star system is pretty eh, at least in my book. In all fairness, the two complaints I've given might fall more into nitpicks or "I'm looking too deep into this," but I just figured I'd lay my thoughts here before I forget later.

Alright, I'm going to back to RetroAchievements for the time being. By the way, you guys can keep the cards. Just make sure to spread them out evenly, I'd like to see how you deal your hands. Peace out.
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I think how I would change the rating system is when your writing a review it will still have the star system, but looking at the addons section of the site won't show the overall score of numbers and instead it would say after a certain amount of reviews made for the mod to say if it's recommended or not, and I also think it be nice if there was a way to sort by ratings for mods
 
Personally, I'm kinda mixed on the removal of stars.
I think that it definitely has its advantages, seeing how some people made a 5 star rating and just have "peak" attached to it or something lmao. I think that it's nice that that can't happen anymore at the least. And I'll be honest, I definitely sometimes see some reviews that I think make the star rating sometimes maybe too high, just so that they don't demotivate the person making the mod in question. I think this change can motivate that the creator properly receives and processes feedback because of this. However, I do also see where a lot of people here are coming from, it's a really big change to make, and stars do also just help to understand the quality of a mod.
Overall, I think that this change is made with good will, but I think that the 100 char limit on the other hand definitely helps a lot to motivate feedback more, and honestly, that's probably all that's needed in my personal opinion. I don't think I've seen anyone be against that change lol
 
but the most immediately annoying to me is that there is now no way to sort submissions by quality.
you can still search by rating
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just click on "top resources in the category you want to look through.
(I'll be extremely upset if they remove it completely tho)
 
Thoughts.

Nitpicks
  • Without the stars, the site feels kind of naked. Maybe we can put the creator's profile picture next to it?
  • Can we make that 150 words? 100 words itself doesn't feel like enough to express a few thoughts.
  • Unrelated but can we have a tab showcasing underrated mods?
What I like
  • This ensures that people aren't scared to showcase their mods without being demotivated by someone who always expects the most.
  • Newbies and Veterans alike can get actual criticism that isn't just one-word replies and makes use of the 'Discussion' tab. Since it's easier than finding that user's discord or twitter (eat shit elon musk lmao.).
  • Repeat of what I said but will make this place less toxic since reviews can be toxic. (Trust me I was toxic before.)
Dislikes
  • This change took way too long tbh.
  • Kind of makes the Order by Ranking useless.
Other Thoughts

Can we please avoid making any additions that's similar to the star ranking system? I saw someone ask for an 'Uncool' button. Regardless if it's a joke or not. If something like that gets added we're going back to where we started. Let's make SRB2MB a place that's open to criticism when it comes to mods.
 

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