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Old 2 Weeks Ago   #401
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If nothing else, I was reminded of how gross my old wiki page was, so I've taken care of that.

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You're a verified leader of a toxic community, and posts like this contribute to that. Also, it's odd that SRB2 encourages so much replay, because the soundtrack becomes extremely grating after the first play-through and thankfully there's a mute option.
This seems like bait, but I'll substantiate my earlier statements. I think the real reason I don't read any of your posts from start to finish is because everything you post is oozing with pretense. For example, I appreciate that you want to "fix" this community, but you also have a limited perspective on what exactly our community's history is, and in spite of many responses pointing out how your extrapolations are off-base, you don't seem to be very receptive to feedback, and you certainly haven't changed your tune or your approach. You also don't seem to want to grapple with the fact that your framing of issues is tonedeaf and volatile. In particular, I have found it rather odd just how many of your posts are, uh... politically charged. I mean don't get me wrong -- from what I can tell, my beliefs are probably fairly close to yours, but you don't have to step so far outside the demsoc/anarchosyndicalist/whatever bubble to see that posting "are you anti-racist" in a sonic fangame forum with thirteen year olds in it is pretty fucking weird.



I honestly can't tell if you are just an outright troll or not, but I honestly think you are just irate and self-oblivious, for the most part. If anything, the juxtaposition of those two sentences I just quoted are a really amusing highlight of this.
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in the way of actual input: i hope that, the turmoil of this huge turnover past, the collective sins of the culture they cultivated can go along with it
in particular, elitism was a huge damn thing back a decade ago, and it's encouraging to see now that it's not so much an issue anymore

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I would agree. Some brief thoughts & examples on why this toxic mess is not and has not been limited only to Mystic and Rob but, in fact, remains ongoing.

Mystic and Rob lived by one rule, and that rule continues beyond Mystic and Rob. That rule, stated clearly: CRITICISM OF MODERATORS IS NOT ALLOWED.

In 2007, the message board changed from "Sonic Robo Blast 2" to being a Nazi joke for the lolz. It would take 13 more years before the mods were removed; this incident was not enough, apparently.



Notice that the "punchline" of the joke is that this is a response to criticism from Moderators.

How have Moderators responded to criticism since this thread? Well, for posting this thread to discuss it, I was banned for a week and then the thread was locked before I could respond.

Trying to respond to this in the Discord led to being banned there, too. I should've grabbed screenshots but I think you can find it if you just search "Moose" which was all I did to see Moderator Chrispy bring up my name and encouraged other users to bash me. I literally only got to say Hi, I've read your comments, and then was warned for "starting up trouble" and then banned! Chrispy again, I believe.

Chrispy joined the community in 2006, per his profile. Did he change his avatar to a Nazi symbol as a joke? How about RoyKirbs? Also joined in 2006.

I hadn't looked at the Mods wiki page before that thread, but you'll see if you click on Moderator D00D64's wiki page, it includes a rape joke for the lolz



Am I the only one who thinks it's weird to spend 10 or 15 years being a Sonic fan game message board moderator?

For lack of anywhere else to respond to questions given to me about the Moderation, I will answer them here.

"Why would a community of Children need to elect their own moderators? They're children!!!" -- multiple

When I was in elementary school, we elected a student council. So what's your point? How well have these moderators served Children with Nazi imagery and secret porn forums?

"Nobody else seems to have a complaint about the moderators!!" -- mostly the moderators

Well, that might be because people can see how the Moderators react to criticism and see how you make an example of anyone who does so. Instead you have threads like this one where -- how many? -- people say they were too afraid to post under Mystic's reign. Hm, wonder why.



You're a verified leader of a toxic community, and posts like this contribute to that. Also, it's odd that SRB2 encourages so much replay, because the soundtrack becomes extremely grating after the first play-through and thankfully there's a mute option.



Though the thread was locked, this post is a good example of the only real rule on the forum -- stated again -- CRITICISM OF MODERATORS IS NOT ALLOWED.

Everything and everyone else is fair game. No wonder the community is the way it is.



Despite the store being non-profit and based on illegal usage of an IP, let's go with this "small store" analogy.

For however many years Mystic was running things, you had a Store Manager who was openly harassing "customers" and other staff. Comments were ignored because you didn't need to worry about turning a "profit" or being held "accountable" to anyone. How has this changed? It hasn't.

Moderators have a little bit of extra power. They don't want to get rid of it. People get off on power trips. It's not mysterious. It's not limited to Mystic.


...But I'm guessing this will prompt a "About time to lock this thread, everyone's had their say, and we're getting off topic now."
If you can't why aren't you getting notified in these posts? I've sent emails to Rob to appeal or at-least explain what went through my mind while posting.
The post got locked because all the non moderators users agreed to do so:
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Well, if its agreed to lock it, and nobody's got complains, I feel no need to keep it open.

If you have any actual criticism or complaints, you can still contact us. Maybe.
Why are you trying to create discord and manipulate people? Why are you like this?

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Do the hurtful things said toward me not count? I kept things pretty non-specific in the Moderation thread, and did it FAQ style in an attempt to prevent it being a referendum on the OP.

I made the mistake of saying some mods seemed "suspicious" to me without going into it more; I should've used a different word to indicate better what I meant was I feel like I know who I might vote for in an election. But oddly enough, my vague "suspicions" ended up being more on the money than I first guessed. I had no idea the mods were celebrating their achievements of Nazi and Rape jokes on this Community of Children.

If I just posted "I think the problem extends beyond Mystic, should there be elections?" -- that would be too short. The way I did it was too long.

You were given arguments by many members... I haven't seen anything hurtful done to you, don't be the "victim", this bastardizes other actual cases.
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As far as I remember, the "Nazi Blitzkrieg Blast 2" April Fools Day theming was intended to poke fun at the staff at the time being frequently referred to "grammar nazis". Of course now the whole joke seems in extremely bad taste, but it was a different time arguably.

...Actually to be fair, at the time I saw the MB like that, I totally forgot that it was actually April Fools Day and was worried the MB took a turn for the worse. Though I was only 12 at the time, mind you. (And I didn't even have my own account here yet, I was just a lurker)

Beyond that, Moose the Fat Cat has been permbanned now, so he's not going to be able to reply to any responses here.
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Beyond that, Moose the Fat Cat has been permbanned now, so he's not going to be able to reply to any responses here.
Good riddance. That person was like a neverending escalator of bizarro nonsensical posts. Since he's banned, though, I guess "neverending" isn't accurate anymore.
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Good riddance. That person was like a neverending escalator of bizarro nonsensical posts. Since he's banned, though, I guess "neverending" isn't accurate anymore.
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a note on this off the back of what just happened in the thread:

i think creating a spectacle out of users—drawing attention, berating them, dogpiling and bandwagoning—is something that should be moved away from. as the past 20 pages of this thread can tell you, this culminates toxic, bullying behavior that shouldn't have a place in a healthy community.

yes, situations like these can be perceived as "milking a lolcow" or whatever. they might be entertaining in some capacity, but it's a little too reminiscent of the whole "public execution" vibe from the older era. a post like "good riddance", even toward a permabanned user, is extraordinarily negative and non-constructive (even if justified)... this change has to be top-down.

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oh my god MOOOOMMMM MOOSE THE FAT CAT QUOTED MEEEEE


i cannot believe this thread about discussing the bad parts of a community and how to improve it turned into someone just insulting people outright. sorry for my rudeness, but wow, what a loser. moose's thread was so very obviously made so they could have a chance at getting the moderator role but they just got the ban hammer instead.
whoopsie daisy!


with that said, i gotta admit... i really like this community? people are actually understanding and welcoming. im glad people are able to agree that Hey, Being Racist And Transmisogynistic And Perving Over Lolis Is Bad and also Dont Be Rude To People And Expect To Become A Moderator. im sure if it were a different community things would be very different, especially considering how.... weird gamers are.
this is like, the first sonic community outside of my very specific bubble in which people have morals. and the mods are nice and friendly and understanding. its not often i find an LGBT-friendly gaming community, but im glad srb2 is one of them.


this isnt even related to the thread anymore i just wanted to throw this out there. people supporting victims and stuff. and all that nice jazz. i have nothing else to say anymore i just love you guys lol
aight im off
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Yeah, this is a good community for the most part. Not as many rotten eggs in here as in other communities (that I know of).
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with that said, i gotta admit... i really like this community? people are actually understanding and welcoming. I'm glad people are able to agree that Hey, Being Racist And Transmisogynistic And Perving Over Lolis Is Bad and also Don't Be Rude To People And Expect To Become A Moderator. I'm sure if it were a different community things would be very different, especially considering how.... weird gamers are.
this is like, the first sonic community outside of my very specific bubble in which people have morals. and the mods are nice and friendly and understanding. its not often i find an LGBT-friendly gaming community, but I'm glad srb2 is one of them.
And I'm glad you feel welcome in this community because honestly I think that many gamer communities are sadly toxic and individuals such as Mystic are probably seen as the norm.

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This isn't even related to the thread anymore i just wanted to throw this out there. people supporting victims and stuff. and all that nice jazz.
And this should be a normal thing from any community.


I think this thread is now answered and that people should remember that being a decent person isn't that hard.
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You guys are right, it was hypocritical for me to go all "good riddance" at Moose getting banned. I believe that person is a full-out troll, but it didn't warrant such a harsh, aggressive response. I hope this attitude doesn't return to the SRB2 community and I shouldn't have acted it out in my prior post.
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You guys are right, it was hypocritical for me to go all "good riddance" at Moose getting banned. I believe that person is a full-out troll, but it didn't warrant such a harsh, aggressive response. I hope this attitude doesn't return to the SRB2 community and I shouldn't have acted it out in my prior post.

I wouldn't have called him a troll. He seemed somewhat well-intentioned but felt wronged by the moderation despite the moderation not really doing all that much to him. As a result, he acted out aggressively which led to his ban. I remember acting in a similar sort of way when I was younger (say 13 or 14). He could possibly be a very wordy teenager who is knowledgeable in many respects but doesn't receive validation for that knowledge. He has to learn that no one really deserves respect and that what he's really after comes from respecting yourself.
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Right, that's said and done, no need to follow the topic derail anymore.
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Yes, i know this is a relatively "old" post. I'm not trying to bring it back or anything. I've written this on and off for a while, so late response.
Yes, I know what I'm about to say might have been said before. Though since i'm newer here it might give a different perspective...

But i want to take it off my chest, so i don't have to think about it anymore.
As you might or...might not know, I'm a "newbie" in the community (Watched 2.0 stuff here and there back in the day, started playing and lurking at 2.1, and only really started participating in 2.2). But from the few posts and even fewer exchanges i saw and had with Mystic, he always felt like...how can i say this? a very stubborn person, who thought THEY were in the right 99.9% of the time. He felt like... any propositions people had against his ideas were directed towards >HIM< rather than towards the game design ideals themselves. I remember on a post of his, here on the MB, about a discussion that touched on how many concepts on the game now still exist because of Mystic's design decisions. Mystic seemed to take a TON of offense in this, saying it was an "Ad Hominem Fallacy" which, i honestly didn't agree with...
What was sad about that was seeing how some people would pull an 180 and agree with Mystic, not necessarily because they feared being banned, but also by the fear of being disliked by a game dev from your favourite game. Again, maybe that wasn't the case, but it sure felt that way...

Going away from that, so i don't get too off-topic. Mystic always seemed "unpredictable" you'd never know if he'd react angrily or reasonably to something. Which makes sense considering how everyone was so anxious around him. When he reacted in an aggressive manner, it'd be him making himself look "personally attacked" by others, even though i don't think that was always the case. He was very stubborn, only thinking what HE said was the right option, while the opposing opinion was stupid and flawed. Don't even think about giving him a suggestion that contradicts the "Right Way TM" of playing (his way).

Not only was he like this on the MB, but on the Discord server as well. He'd constantly would make cynical remarks when people gave a misinformed comment, or just because they made a silly joke. He was always this roadblock. Not only him, Rob was similar in this aspect, seemingly having a pseudo-god complex. Knowing they were both online made you instantly want to leave. And you'd see a fair amount of that, newbies being shamed for... being newbies, unaware of stuff. And people who might not know how to sprite as well as others. It was all very demotivating, for them, and for me too!
The cynicism is sadly something that they've infected the place with, from what i heard here, from VERY early on. But hopefully it will fully dissipate one day. I understand how easily one can get trapped in that bubble, i might have fallen there too, and i apologise. It's important to evaluate yourself constantly, and see if you're actually being constructive.

As for the... other stuff that happened at Discord, i don't have much to talk about that, as i was about... 30 seconds too late to seeing the whole thing unfold, and i'm just generally ignorant of all that happened. But oh wow, it made an impact. You could say it might've been the straw that broke the camel's back, everything led to this. And it was eventual to happen, Rob and Mystic both were very oppressive people, always pushing everyone's buttons. It became natural that people would get done with their antics and their poor design arguments, specially with the influx of popularity the game was having, attracting new people.

Overall, yes, like many said; good riddance. I've never felt comfortable with both of them around. Simply because you'd never know when they'd "strike" so to say. Hopefully the dev team, and the whole community itself, really, is feeling safer now that they're gone. As much as Mystic now being (thankfully) gone is a good thing (well, gone as long as he decides to), its important to also stay positive, and not dwell too long on the past (not saying that talking about it is bad, of course, i just did, after all).
And i totally believe that SRB2 will only go forward after this! I'm glad everyone is being more accepting and welcoming each day!

Phew, that's out of my system now. Thank god. I might have stumbled on my own words and repeated myself a lot there, also apologies for reviving this in advance, too!
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Is he banned from the MB?
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No, he's been kicked from the dev team but not from the community. He has no incentive to return, though.
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Oh... So why can't I DL Mystic Realm from his page? It keeps throwing some MB error mesaage at me

(Simon_T received an infraction for this post: Keep your posts related to the topic.)
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Oh... So why can't I DL Mystic Realm from his page? It keeps throwing some MB error mesaage at me
Are you for real right now? Here? In this thread? I know it's not exactly reasonable to expect you read 20+ pages of the room before commenting but god this is in such poor taste, I'm sorry.
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What a needlessly belligerent response, regardless of whether this is or isn't the place for it.

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Oh... So why can't I DL Mystic Realm from his page? It keeps throwing some MB error mesaage at me
If you're in his page then you should see an option for a mirror, use that. The normal link is trying to grab an MB attachment which must have been deleted.

Might as well back it up now. With Mystic gone and supposed mod successor (according to the wiki's entry on the mod) Prime 2.0/Pv2 also gone, it's likely this is the last version of Mystic Realm there'll ever be.
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No, he's been kicked from the dev team but not from the community. He has no incentive to return, though.
More accurately, he was banned from the public discord and left the dev server/team of his own accord. To my knowledge he's not banned from the forums, not that it matters.
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