not sure why you're removing its ease of accessibility besides as some roundabout way of spiting players who do prefer analog.
This was answered in the post above yours. We want new players to use the default. Analog being in options causes this to not happen. Taking the option out of the menu means that they won't encounter it, and therefor have a better experience.
like i said, i don't see how keeping it in and maybe making what it does more clear in the options isn't the better solution no matter how you look at it.
The goal is to reduce use and accessibility for new players. Having it in the options menu will not accomplish this.
i understand that not everyone and probably even the majority of players prefer analog. it's clearly the inferior scheme for players who use kb+m or dual-stick controllers. i just think it should still be a regular, possibly better-described option for players who don't or can't play that way. that's it really
You're trying to invoke an entire group for your position. I do not play with a mouse. I play keyboard only. I find analog inaccurate, clunky, and genuinely awful to use. I am in the category of people you are suggesting would benefit from it being accessible. I think, based on my own experience and the research we have done on this problem, that you are incorrect here.
you keep insisting that everyone else has nothing but problems with analog and that people who use analog are just naive and need to make time to "adjust" to the default. well what about my case? i was very well-adjusted both the bubsytank and the fps control scheme keyboard-only until i turned on analog for the first time on an absolute whim and found myself much preferring it and realizing how cumbersome and uncomfortable both the default and bubsytank controls were in comparison to it. it's not that i just was some poor fool who somehow wasn't accustomed to the glorious, perfect default doom controls. its just that analog was and is flat-out the better way to play the game for me. i don't believe for a second that i'm the only player ever that has had this experience. all i ask is that i not have to jump through hoops once 2.2 comes out just to play the game how i want, and neither should anyone else in my position
The exception that proves the rule. Your individual experience here is unique. What you're missing is that we have deliberately done lots of new player testing and trials for 2.2, as well as had experienced people try something new via direct suggestions, and observed the result. Consistently we see better experiences coming from these people without analog than with. Your argument is exactly why we're not deleting analog outright, because it does have a section of people that want it. But we don't want to expose new people to it. Your solution still allows for people to whimsically turn on a control scheme that we
know, based on evidence, causes issue. We outright do not want people doing that. That's why it's being taken out of options. I'm sorry you don't like it, but at the end of the day "I'm sure there are other people like me" doesn't hold weight compared to several years of targeted testing with the deliberate goal of improving new player experience. We've gone over the results of this testing. We know what causes issues and we've been working hard on solving them. The evidence just isn't in your favor.
you admitted in your last post that this is still very easily done with manual controls in a game where you're almost constantly moving fast and making sharp turns etc. a player can easily make just as many mistakes if not more with the camera than an automatic system would make. sorry but i don't think the default doom controls are the magic bullet here. using them at all was only ever a compromise to begin with. if you guys are so concerned with issues like this, maybe an alternative actually based around sonic gameplay should be looked into.
Except this doesn't happen in practice. When we see people playing better and making fewer mistakes with the defaults, that's a demonstration that something is wrong with analog. This position just doesn't hold water.
I get that you're unhappy that your control scheme is being obscured, but at the end of the day we're going to go with a decision that optimizes the game experience. If we found that analog was, in fact, better, we'd be using that. But it doesn't. And until you can demonstrate, with
lots of evidence that it works at least as well as the default, we're going to continue with the plan to remove it from the options menu