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SRB2 needs more difficulty. Once you get past the unfairness at parts, it's really easy. Even with Sonic, the most underpowered one of them all, it's still easy. Though, wasn't the fact that there are three diverse characters made the difficulty option disappear? |
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I finally read the tl;dr review, and a thought came to me. Is WASD+mouselook the default control scheme for SRB2? Why not? Everybody's initial control issues (mine, even) stem from not knowing how essential strafing and turning on a dime are. |
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Actually, it was to free up flags, like for the randomly spawning monitors in Match/CTF. There was another thing it did, but I forgot what it was. And yeah, kinda unnessesarry when you factor in Tails being Easy mode and Sonic being hard while Knux would probably need more Knux Only and Knux Proof (No climb, ledges that block climing up to the top) areas to really be less gamebreaking and "normal" difficulty.
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I've always considered in S3&K for Sonic and Knuckles to be both the same difficulty, the main difference besides the play-style difference and obstacles is that Knuckles' adventure is shorter and Sonic has a difficulty scale from quite easy to quite hard, whereas Knuckles seems kinda normal difficulty the whole way through.
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I'm gonna have to disagree about Knuckles Blue. I found most of his paths to be shorter, but his paths usually felt harder to me. Sonic had a few cases where his difficulty was increased, but I always found Knuckles the harder one to use. Especially in Boss fights since he had a low jump and his bosses are harder, IIRC.
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EDIT: No, you can't, but if you time it right, you can land on the last log and clear it more easily that way. But to be honest, it should be replaced with just some stationary platforms. Last edited by :SonicMaster:; 01-09-2010 at 05:38 AM. |
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Actually, if you charge a spin and jump through the waterfall, followed by a thok once you're pushed out of it, you'll clear the thing no problem.
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Despite the premise for the review being a bit faulty ("I get motion sick playing 35fps 3D games, so I'm going to lay into this out of spite" isn't a very encouraging opening statement), the majority of his concerns are quite valid. That room in DSZ with the logs certainly feels pretty random and in honesty, most of the attempts I've tried to do that 'properly' have ended up with me just giving up and going for the old massive spindash/jump trick. The controls do feel pretty slippery if you're not used to how they work vs the regular Sonic games. Players ARE going to generally pick Sonic first, as he's the character everyone is most familiar with, despite him being undoubtably the hardest one to clear single player with. The stages could do with some more landscape-oriented 'signposting' to prevent people getting lost. This is not the thread to leap in with yet another 'Eggrock is too hard/easy' debate, but it does have some pretty cheap moments ("oh i want to make this jump but now suddenly there's a wind current and i'm dead wait what").
That said, I have no idea why the reviewer thinks the stages are Sonic oriented and that Tails and Knuckles are the same 'but just blow through the stages'. Obviously, the stages are designed so that Sonic doesn't get massively screwed over and can't complete them, but there's a pretty crazy amount of extra routes and bonuses available for players who take the time to do a little exploration. By and large though, this is kind of a fair - if a little one-sided - review. |
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tl;dr: SINCE WHEN HAS LEVEL DESIGN BEEN NOT MONOTONOUS. Sure, you can open a super mario world level editor to make some platforman and some enemy avoidan, but there's a difference between something you made in 5 minutes than something that has been planned, been taken care off, and polished. There really is no easy way to make a good level in some of the even mildly complex games these days. The first level in Super Mario Bros was made last because they needed to think up of gimmicks and mechanics to use through the game, adjust them, AND THEN THEY NEEDED TO USE THEM WISELY TO INTRODUCE THEM TO THE PLAYER. Level design is one of the hardest parts of a game to get right. Also, many of you are dissing this review because you're not a newbie to SRB2 anymore, but the moment you start, you choose sonic. Always, no matter what you do. Sonic is the hardest player, so it'll give a horrible first impression. And thanks to the missing levels, the difficulty curve is more similar to a freaking wall. A brick wall, at that. Also, what wallbank said. |
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I dunno, I picked Tails for my first few playthroughs. I'm quite a fan of a more slow and steady approach with the ability to recover in the air when you don't know where things are.
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I disagree that level building is uniformly monotonous. If the programmer finds the level making process boring, what chance does the level have of being fun to play? Well, all right, it does have a chance, but I think the best levels come out of an enjoyable experience.
Level design is an artistic endeavor, and, like any artistic endeavor, blinding flashes of inspiration are usually the best way to design good levels. Now, I don't know about you guys, but when I do something, even something that it usually somewhat dull, and I become inspired, I have a hell of a lot of fun doing it. |
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That was probably the best thing you could do. Trying to beat the game with Sonic on the first playthrough is a waste of time.
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Somebody should implement Super Guide into SRB2, having Luigi clear the game automatically so the player never dies.
This is actually a valid complaint. Fans should probably have sound cues so you know they're around even when you can't see them. |
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Some games give a visual cue such as blowing leaves, such as Hexen.
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