[22:02] <Mystic> also, SpiritCrusher, if you only knew the hell I went through yesterday to make CEZS presentable in a screenshot X_X
[22:02] <Mystic> because lord it looked hideous...fixing that took hours
[22:02] <Mystic> it's been a simple find/replace texture job for months X_X
[22:02] <SpiritCrusher> Could it be that there is no capsule yet?
[22:02] <Mystic> no, there is a capsule
[22:03] <SpiritCrusher> Oh wait sorry
[22:03] <Mystic> hell, you can tell in that screenshot; I already have the emerald
[22:03] <SpiritCrusher> The emerald is already collected in that screenshot
[22:03] <SpiritCrusher> I was asking myself this earlier, until I actually noticed the emerald
[22:03] <SpiritCrusher> I must have forgot
[22:03] <Mystic> yeah, the HUD actually provides proper information now
[22:04] <SpiritCrusher> So why are you starting to talk out of the blue beginning with "also"?
[22:04] <SpiritCrusher> Did you post something or the forum in response to me or what?
[22:04] <Mystic> no, I'm just not really awake and failing the English
[22:04] <SpiritCrusher> Ah, okay
[22:05] <Mystic> but man, retexturing that stage to the point where it's at least presentable and looks like CEZ was a bitch
[22:05] <liamroot5> why is slumber circuit being deleted from the race rotation?
[22:06] <Mystic> because most people didn't like it, and it's the fourth special stage now anyways
[22:06] <SpiritCrusher> I heard that Spring Hill will actually be staying
[22:06] <liamroot5> yeah as the arid canyon special stage right?
[22:06] <SpiritCrusher> No, both as the ACZ special stage and as Spring Hill
[22:06] <liamroot5> or is it staying untouched
[22:06] <Mystic> we'll probably be including more than just that
[22:06] <liamroot5> oh
[22:07] <Mystic> but we haven't gotten to the point where we're packaging up content for release or anything, so hell if I know what we'll end up including in actual release
[22:07] <SpiritCrusher> More than just what?
[22:08] <Mystic> just the special stages and Spring Hill
[22:08] <SpiritCrusher> Did you guys go on a NiGHTS spree or what?
[22:08] <Mystic> yeah, pretty much
[22:09] <Mystic> It's basically all we've been talking about in #'dev for weeks
[22:10] <SpiritCrusher> That explains why you're confident enough to say that the special stages might make it into 2.1
[22:11] <SpiritCrusher> Which I've been honestly doubting considering it took over three years to make three new level, two edits of existing tracks and two half-finished levels
[22:11] <Colson> yay?
[22:11] <Rob> [Tue, 16:05:15 PM] <@Mystic> but man, retexturing that stage to the point where it's at least presentable and looks like CEZ was a bitch < Why do you think I didn't do it? :P
[22:12] <Rob> [Tue, 16:08:37 PM] <@SpiritCrusher> Did you guys go on a NiGHTS spree or what? < I got uber-motivated about 3 months back and that kinda drove stuff
[22:13] <Prime_2> Meanwhile, Inuyasha started addressing pet peeves with the interface
[22:13] <Rob> Yes
[22:13] <Mystic> and then interest generated discussion, which caused more interface quirks to get fixed
[22:13] <SpiritCrusher> Well, this is certainly preferable to what was happening in the months before
[22:13] <SpiritCrusher> Which was nothing as far as I heard of
[22:13] <Mystic> stuff IS getting done, just slowly, as usual
[22:13] <Prime_2> I'd say about half of them ended in "NiGHTs did it this way, that works", Mystic
[22:14] <Prime_2> And I'm fine with that
[22:14] <SpiritCrusher> It just seems odd for CEZ to be "almost finished" since June or something
[22:15] <Rob> That is a result of "Nobody fucking programmed the boss"
[22:15] <SpiritCrusher> I though somebody was working on that
[22:15] <Rob> Mystic can confirm, but I think that we'd have seen 2.1 already if that was done.
[22:15] <Mystic> that somebody has been really busy the last few months
[22:15] <SpiritCrusher> Let me guess
[22:15] <SpiritCrusher> Inuyasha
[22:15] <Mystic> no, actually
[22:16] <Mystic> all the NiGHTS UI improvements were done by him, after all =P
[22:16] <SpiritCrusher> He said he was the only one who had done any coding in the last few months
[22:16] <SpiritCrusher> That must have been the NiGHTS stuff then
[22:16] <Prime_2> We're referring to the resident bugfixing superstar actually, SpiritCrusher
[22:16] <SpiritCrusher> Callum?
[22:16] <Katmint> is it Callum?
[22:16] <Prime_2> Callum.
[22:16] <SpiritCrusher> I assumed so
[22:16] <Katmint> oh prime beat me
[22:16] <Callum> Hiya
[22:16] <Rob> Callum
[22:16] <SpiritCrusher> Because he hasn't been around much in the last few months
[22:16] <Callum> I'm popular this morning ^_~
[22:16] <Rob> Shut up and go make Eggscalibur
[22:16] <Prime_2> Every time he goes on holiday, there's an explosion of activity from him
[22:17] <SpiritCrusher> ^
[22:17] <SpiritCrusher> @Rob
[22:17] <Prime_2> or rather, productivity
[22:17] <SpiritCrusher> It's winter break soon :)
[22:17] <Callum> I'm on holiday right now, but I've been busy doing enrolment stuff for university since I got off school
[22:17] <Rob> Callum
[22:17] <Rob> Go put eggman pictures on your enrollment papers
[22:17] <SpiritCrusher> Where are you going?
[22:17] <Callum> lol
[22:17] <Rob> And then make Eggscalibur
[22:18] <Prime_2> "I made the fourth boss in sonic robo blast 2"
[22:18] <Prime_2> If you put that on your resume, they will totally let you in
[22:18] <SpiritCrusher> >What the fuck is Sonic Robo Blast 2?
[22:18] <Mystic> lol, Prime_2
[22:18] <SpiritCrusher> That's not enough
[22:18] <Callum> Don't worry, I plan on putting SRB2 in my resume :P
[22:19] <SpiritCrusher> They'll only let you in if you do the fifth and sixth boss too
[22:19] <Callum> even MORE volunteer work that will look good
[22:20] <Callum> I'll tell you what, though
[22:20] <Callum> I need to install a toolchain on my new laptop...
[22:20] <SpiritCrusher> You know what?
[22:20] <Rob> I know what!
[22:20] <SpiritCrusher> Don't finish the boss too soon
[22:20] * Callum downloads MinGW
[22:20] <Iceman404> WHAT
[22:20] <Scizor300> Hm?
[22:20] <Rob> Callum should go make Eggscalibur
[22:20] <SpiritCrusher> Not before Rob is done with special stages
[22:20] <SpiritCrusher> I want them in 2.1
[22:20] <Iceman404> Noo
[22:20] <Mystic> don't worry, SpiritCrusher, that boss is complicated as hell
[22:21] <Mystic> it'll take a while
[22:21] <Callum> Yeah, it is
[22:21] <Iceman404> that'll take another 3 years SC
[22:21] <Iceman404> D:
[22:21] <Callum> I've only got like the first part completed heh
[an hour later because Inuyasha is slooooow]
[23:14] <Inuyasha> [16:13] <@Prime_2> Meanwhile, Inuyasha started addressing pet peeves with the interface <- /just/ the interface? =p
[23:20] <Inuyasha> I did a lot more than just the interface =p
[23:20] <SpiritCrusher> Couldn't be any more cryptic
[23:20] <SpiritCrusher> What else, then?
[23:21] <Inuyasha> SpiritCrusher: sure I could, I could ROT13 all my lines before sending them
[23:21] <Mystic> lol
[23:21] <SpiritCrusher> Do so
[23:21] <Inuyasha> hell no
[23:21] <Mystic> Go code that emblem thing =P
[23:21] <SpiritCrusher> I bet it sounds hilarious
[23:22] <SpiritCrusher> Emblem thing...
[23:22] <Inuyasha> the orbiting items (flicky, chaos emeralds), fixing annoying bugs that have existed for years, adding new pickups
[23:22] <SpiritCrusher> Chaos Emeralds orbit you upon being collected?
[23:22] <SpiritCrusher> Awesome
[23:22] <Inuyasha> I wonder how many people realize that the big ring of wings have been broken for ages
[23:22] <Mystic> yeah, they orbit you when you get them from the capsule until you complete the level
[23:23] <Inuyasha> same for the flicky, except not for the whole level obviously
[23:23] <SpiritCrusher> So that players realize they're not done yet?
[23:23] <Inuyasha> well, the get emerald sound doesn't play until you finish, either
[23:23] <Inuyasha> also, proper score bonuses and continues awarded every 50k points
[23:23] <Inuyasha> and separating NiGHTS score from the main game
[23:24] <SpiritCrusher> I vaguely remember there being a link bonus
[23:24] <SpiritCrusher> How does that work?
[23:24] <Mystic> max link x 100
[23:24] <SpiritCrusher> The highest link you got x100?
[23:24] <SpiritCrusher> Yeah
[23:25] <kathy> how difficult are the new special stages
[23:25] <Mystic> Start out piss easy
[23:25] <Mystic> Working their way up to rage
[23:26] <SpiritCrusher> So from what the topic is suggesting, ACZS is gonna be the stage with the ridiculously strict time limit
[23:26] <SpiritCrusher> Or at least the first one with a ridiculously strict time limit
[23:26] <Mystic> It's not ridiculously strict or anything
[23:27] <Senku_Niola> Yes it is >:<
[23:27] <Mystic> but you don't have time to just stand there and enjoy the scenery, and you'd better be dashing at all times it's appropriate
[23:27] <Senku_Niola> Least to me D:
[23:27] <Rob> [Tue, 17:22:37 PM] <@Inuyasha> I wonder how many people realize that the big ring of wings have been broken for ages < In what way?
[23:27] <Senku_Niola> Course I don't play NiGHTS
[23:27] <SpiritCrusher> ERZS then reaches the point where the time limit is strict AND the sphere requirement is strict
[23:27] <SpiritCrusher> A la current SS7
[23:27] <Senku_Niola> SS8
[23:27] <Mystic> More like ERZS is brutal in layout
[23:28] <Rob> [Tue, 17:27:57 PM] <@Mystic> More like ERZS is brutal in layout < This
[23:28] <Mystic> ACZS has no hazards, remember
[23:28] <SpiritCrusher> I'm pretty bad at NiGHTS controls
[23:28] <SpiritCrusher> I will probably have to get much better
[23:28] <Rob> You know the ERZ2 fan?
[23:28] <Mystic> ERZS has lasers, crushers, etc.
[23:28] <Inuyasha> Basically, Rob, it places 16 hoops
[23:28] <Inuyasha> er
[23:28] <kathy> are the flying controls any better?
[23:28] <Inuyasha> blah, let me try this again
[23:28] <SpiritCrusher> The vertical thing at the start or the waterslide-like thing?
[23:28] <Mystic> and when you get hit, you lose 5 seconds off the timer
[23:28] <Rob> [Tue, 17:28:37 PM] <@SpiritCrusher> The vertical thing at the start or the waterslide-like thing? < Vertical laser fan
[23:28] <SpiritCrusher> Laser fan?
[23:29] <SpiritCrusher> What?
[23:29] <Inuyasha> it places 16 wings, except the horrible copypasta'd code still placed them in eight spots
[23:29] <Rob> [Tue, 17:29:03 PM] <@Inuyasha> it places 16 wings, except the horrible copypasta'd code still placed them in eight spots < I never noticed this. o_o
[23:29] <Inuyasha> so you'd have two wings on top of each other
[23:29] <Inuyasha> Rob: Play DSZS in 2.0.6 and then again in trunk
[23:29] <Inuyasha> it should be obvious
[23:29] <SpiritCrusher> [23:28] <Mystic> and when you get hit, you lose 5 seconds off the timer <- Let me guess, you can afford to have that happen a few times at most
[23:29] <Boinciel> SC, you know the laser fan in ERZ2?
[23:29] <Mystic> well, ERZS isn't completed by any stretch of the imagination
[23:30] <Mystic> So we haven't implemented a time limit (or even any objects) yet
[23:30] <SpiritCrusher> No, I know of no laser fan in ERZ2
[23:30] <Boinciel> When you get hit, you not only get five seconds taken away, you also fall backwards agonizingly slowly while flashing
[23:30] <Mystic> but the plan is that you can get hit a few times, but if you fail too much it'll end up impossible to complete
[23:30] <Rob> [Tue, 17:29:54 PM] <@Mystic> well, ERZS isn't completed by any stretch of the imagination < The one that I have to extract actually is in a much more complete state
[23:30] <SpiritCrusher> What the hell is a laser fan even supposed to be?
[23:30] <Boinciel> So it's more like 10 seconds overall :P
[23:31] <Rob> SpiritCrusher
[23:31] <Rob> Right-hand path in ERZ2
[23:32] <Rob> That room right after the room the checkpoint is in
[23:32] <SpiritCrusher> Because ERZ2 obviously has one single checkpoint
[23:33] <Rob> The first checkpoint
[23:33] <SpiritCrusher> The first checkpoint is right after the first space section, right?
[23:33] <SpiritCrusher> That's followed by that laser grid
[23:33] <Rob> The first checkpoint in ERZ2
[23:33] <Mystic> You know, with the rotating lasers that move up and down
[23:33] <Mystic> Now imagine flying around that in NiGHTS mode ^_~
[23:34] <Whackjood> oh my
[23:34] <SpiritCrusher> What does that have to do with fans?
[23:34] <Rob> That is a fan
[23:34] <Rob> Of lazery death
[23:34] <SpiritCrusher> Last I checked, a fan is a thing that rotates and blows air in thr process
[23:34] <Rob> And the one in ERZS has 4 blades, not 2. =P
[23:35] <SpiritCrusher> Oh, you mean because it rotates?
[23:35] <Rob> Yes
[23:35] <Rob> It is a fan
[23:35] <SpiritCrusher> Yeah, alright
[23:35] <SpiritCrusher> That does make sense
[23:35] <SpiritCrusher> It has four blades and you need to fly around that?
[23:36] <SpiritCrusher> That's gonna be... fun, I guess
[23:36] <Rob> A complete circle around it, yes
[23:36] <SpiritCrusher> Have you ever thought of putting that aforementioned laser grid in there too? =P
[23:36] <Rob> That wouldn't work in NiGHTS
[23:37] <SpiritCrusher> Yeah, because you wouldn't be able to see it
[23:37] <SpiritCrusher> But it would be appropriately insane
[23:37] <Rob> Oh, please
[23:38] <Rob> I have enough insane ideas for ERZS
[23:38] <Rob> The laser panel is actually far more tame than what I want to to. ;D
[23:38] <SpiritCrusher> It seems to be the only stage to have actual gimmicks in it
[23:38] <Mystic> well, SpiritCrusher, we're trying to keep it relatively simple on purpose
[23:39] <SpiritCrusher> I guess you would call me "bold and presumptuous" for that
[23:39] <Mystic> there are a few gimmicks in the earlier stages, though
[23:39] <SpiritCrusher> Good
[23:39] <Mystic> but it's more an issue of us making this with the assumption that players have never even seen NiGHTS before
[23:39] <SpiritCrusher> Because I got tired of the gimmick-less current special stages quick
[23:39] <Rob> [Tue, 17:39:09 PM] <@SpiritCrusher> I guess you would call me "bold and presumptuous" for that < That was bold and presumptuous
[23:39] <Mystic> So I don't want to overcomplicate it with things that complicate the formula
[23:39] <SpiritCrusher> You know, the first three ones
[23:40] <Mystic> well, our current special stage design is boring to begin with
[23:40] <SpiritCrusher> I know
[23:40] <Mystic> gimmicks wouldn't really help all that much
[23:40] <SpiritCrusher> But the later special stages are actually quite interesting considering that
[23:41] <Mystic> I dunno, I always sorta considered them all damn simplistic
[23:41] <Mystic> Despite my efforts to try to mix things up a bit
[23:42] <SpiritCrusher> They are kinda simplistic
[23:42] <SpiritCrusher> But I still enjoy the crumbling platform stuff to a certain degree
[23:42] <SpiritCrusher> And I still can't beat SS7 half of the time
[23:42] <Mystic> yeah, I still really like the one where you have to make platforms fall onto the water
[23:43] <SpiritCrusher> That one would be even better if the rest of the stage didn't consist of the usual shit
[23:43] <Senku_Niola> Screw the platforms, spindash on the water :D
[23:43] <SpiritCrusher> You know, where you run along the border and collect 100 or so rings
[23:45] <Mystic> but yeah, those special stages were made pretty damn quickly anyhow
[23:46] <Mystic> I'm just happy that SS7 turned out as well as it did
[23:46] <Mystic> Considering it was one of those ideas while taking a shower that I implemented in an hour =P