You mean Whirlwind, Force, Attraction, Elemental, Armageddon? That's 5, the Sonic 3 shields are just included for the challenge stages and probably so noone has to mod them into the game idk. The only "not useful abilities" you speak of are like force and elemental, but elemental is pretty useful in techno hill (the worst zone).
Yeah SA Example. If sonic had homing itd be redundant cause of attraction and would absolutely wreck bosses, the plus is you could probs make homing attack chain sonic only routes maybe???? But like enemies arent really in your way in srb2 so its not like you need a homing attack you can just jump on them or just skip them
One of the underwater attraction shields in DSZ1 has a bustable wall right by it, breakable by pushing the mines (or directly as Knuckles or Amy) to reveal an invincibility monitor. I think that's a good way to convey that ring attraction only works underwater if you're invincible.
The eight shields built into SRB2 do have some redundancy with each other, which is why they aren't all meant to be used together. The five SRB2 shields (whirlwind, attraction, elemental, force, and armageddon) are their own set meant to complement each other, and the S3&K shields (flame, bubble, and lightning) are a different set meant to complement each other. Mixing the shields together creates conflicts and redundancy, which is why it's recommended for people making levels to be careful when doing so. This is why, for instance, Azure Temple has no elemental shields as of 2.2 and instead uses bubble shields.
I guess if you're going for harder-to-reach secrets you could kinda use elemental's active for it, but that's still pretty specific and a stretch, given that it doesn't always give you the depth you need. And yeah, I know the Sonic 3 shields are not part of the main campaign, that's part of the issue. Each of them feels more deliberate and universal in and of itself than the SRB2 ones do as a cohesive group.
I can't really agree, personally. The original idea of the homing attack was to compensate for 3D space giving you difficulty in landing on enemies. This is the same reason Mario got punches and kicks in Mario 64 or the spin in Galaxy. Like I said, 2.2 has shown the way broadening design can be massively beneficial, so having a more reliable method of attacking, at least for Sonic, would steer things away from the demand for precision that previous versions brought.
The SRB2 set is either redundant or useless on it's own, is my point. My other point is that the Sonic 3 shields are flatly better and I'd rather see them replace the 2.2 ones for the most part. The best argument I see against this is that whirlwind giving you leeway with falling off of platforms is pretty great, but you could give that to lightning too.
If the 3&K shields weren’t included at all, you probably wouldn’t be complaining. Not every single shield is in every single level, so not one shield ability is going to be considered redundant.
I don't see the usefulness of a Homing attack, there's no reason for you to go out of your way to attack enemies, and Sonic doesn't need to have a combat based tool, he would have a platforming based tool because it takes alot of things from Sonic 1, 2, CD, 3, &k. Homing Attack wouldn't really help with things such as crawla/monitor bouncing from very high. I think you probably just want to home attack every badnik, when its never necesarry to do so really.
Well, sure I would. Elemental and Force's actives would still be relatively similar, and their actives along with Armageddon's would still not be very useful.
That's why it has an air dash, the thing Sonic literally has in SRB2 right now.
I'd advise against trying to tell me what I want, thanks.
MB thread? that looks sick
The problem with Homing Attack is that the level design is not made for that, so it would not be as useful as in Sonic Adventure,
This could be remedied by allowing the player to choose when they want to home in and when they don't. One way of achieving this could be via mapping homing attack to a separate input, such as spin. Sonic doesn't usually use spin for much of anything while in midair, so pressing spin midair to homing attack and double jumping normally for thok would allow for a lot of control.
And even in the first Sonic Adventure some sections with flying enemies made for the homing attack could be skipped simply with a spindash followed by a jump.
According to the official SRB2 2.2 OST, Metal does something with the air... i don't remember what, but he does it so you drown.
It’s his ventilation system not being able to cool himself off
No i mean that Metal does something with the air in the final chamber in order to make the others characters drown.
