CasualNick
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I have always hated GFZ 2. The level just wasn't design properly. I think that GFZ 2 should be scraped and redone.
Let's debate GFZ! (Split from "Yet Another 2.1 Update")
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D00D, not really to me. It just looks like the same map with some walls textured in more detail, those textures just aren't distinct enough from each other.
See, I actually quite like D00D's subtle approach.
Also, we're not redoing GFZ2. It's one of my favorite stages in the game and is only visually ugly, not bad in gameplay. The changes in 2.1 are similar to the changes SpiritCrusher made a while back (and in some cases, lifted straight from his work)
Also, we're not redoing GFZ2. It's one of my favorite stages in the game and is only visually ugly, not bad in gameplay. The changes in 2.1 are similar to the changes SpiritCrusher made a while back (and in some cases, lifted straight from his work)
Unknownlight
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That's good to hear, on both counts. I was getting worried there for a moment with all the claims that GFZ2 should be remade. I'm also glad that SpiritCrusher's fixes are being implemented.
Violo
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To be honest, I don't really see how this is subtle. I find trying to combine the two sets of textures strange and unnecessary, especially since GFZROCK2 doesn't really match with GFZFLR02 in my eyes. Would something like GFZINSID with GFZROCK's colours work for walls on platforms within the caves (not the main walls), or would use of GFZVINES in some areas help?
There's no flat version of GFZROCK2, otherwise D00D64 would have changed the flats too.
Violo
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I meant the grass, I realise there's no corresponding flat. Though I thought there was for a bit, but I got that mixed up with SA CEZ texture set.
You know, there's the ability to just make new textures if nothing fits.
Oh right, GFZFLR02 is the grass, GFZFLR01 is the checkerboard. Well, since it makes little sense to have a grass floor in a cave anyway, the simplest solution would be to just change the floor texture. But regardless, replacing GFZROCK with GFZROCK2 doesn't change the fact that all surfaces in the cave use the same texture.
Eliwood
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I can understand the checkerboard texture somewhat as far as a stylish thing, but really I think Green Flower Zone is kind of disappointing to me as far as a theme is concerned. Say what you want, but it's called Green FLOWER Zone, not Green FIELD zone. There aren't enough flowers. I really think it would be cool to see like this lush zone with a more flowery theme to it. And a few flowers in the intro of GFZ1 doesn't make up for that. Some more prevalent varying floor textures and wall textures is just what GFZ needs. Also I wouldn't mind an invisible wall if it meant we didn't have that giant ugly checkerboard wall and in its place could be like a pointless extending flowerbed that has no need for exploring. It needs more scenery and more life because right now it's really dull.
Like I know it's based off the Doom engine, but it really feels like we're constantly encased in walls and caverns, whereas Sonic is supposed to be a lot more open and free.
Sorry I know we're talking about Greenflower Zone but I'm just saying.
Like I know it's based off the Doom engine, but it really feels like we're constantly encased in walls and caverns, whereas Sonic is supposed to be a lot more open and free.
Sorry I know we're talking about Greenflower Zone but I'm just saying.
Skyboxes do just that, once 2.1 is out I'll see no reason to not tear down most of the walls in place for a really nice one.
Eliwood
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Even if the walls look really nice, I still don't want to see too much of them. Open space is better than a wall.
I said "a really nice one", as in, a really nice skybox.
Violo
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I'll restate my point just in case it was missed. Would the use of GFZVINES of a recoloured GFZINSID help in distinguishing the various walls within the caves and to mix things up?
Eliwood
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I thought you had meant "a really nice wall" for a moment there. In which case, tearing down walls for a nice skybox would be great.
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