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SRB2 Top Down
Version: 1.0.0, by Iceman404 (Tyler52 Forever) Iceman404 is offline
Developer Last Online: May 2017

Category: Version: SRB2 Rating: (18 votes - 4.89 average)
Released: 01-28-2017 Last Update: Never Installs: 5
Characters Single Player Levels Multiplayer Levels Code Changes Additional Software Sprites/Graphics Is in Beta Stage


Sryder fell asleep... that Weather Factory Act 3 is not my child.
https://discordapp.com/invite/WJmqDtN <--- I fucking missed the capital N fuck this fucking





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The mirrors contain the full file, including the music BECAUSE IT'S TOO FAT-- YOU CAN EDIT MY ADDONS BUT DON'T CHANGE MY GODDAMN POSTS WITHOUT LETTING ME KNOW BALDODOPE.
In the attachments is also are two split zip files that also contain the music. 7-zip can open these easily.

Main: http://lightdash.org/SRB2/Releases/SRB2TD-v1.0.0.zip
Source: http://lightdash.org/SRB2/Releases/s...ease-v1.0.0.7z
Git: http://git.magicalgirl.moe/KartKrew/TD

Spoiler: WHY THE FUCK DID YOU GUYS TAKE OVER 3 YEARS



Hello it is me cool dude four oh four here (I can’t use my real identity because Mystic hates God). I’m here with an apology for being the main word-man and hyping this up way more than it needed to be, it used to be fun after all. Firstly, I’d like to say…

Don’t try this with more than four people, at least not seriously. Fuck off with that

Anyway, here with the news everyone who wants to burn me at the stake in all their ircs, discords, private groups, annoying youtube comments, bi-daily frantic emails, and D00D64 (is he even an entity that’s still alive??) were waiting for, but I swear we have an excuse a good one a really good excuse I promise. Here it is… SRB2 Top Down was demo-releasable in 2014, roughly 1 year after its production. So you’re probably asking yourself… “what the hell happened?”, why was this mod of a mod hyped more than No Man’s Lie only to suddenly fade into obscurity so fast that you’re probably only actually remembering it actually existed right this moment like the Nelson Mandela effect?

This is game development


I’ve ALWAYS told people to stop making fun of the vanilla devs, this stuff is really hard and releases take time! But y’all always clown all over them, try it yourselves and see! This is why I was never the one in the crowd to crack the “when’s 2.1 ecks dee” jokes. Ever.

Potentially cringey humor aside, it turns out the “they have lives” excuse is really really relevant. Kart Krew’s mainly a few friends in a somewhat close age range who happened to enter college around or near-to the time we planned to have this out. You know what this means… all productivity stopped, immediately, it was a ghost town. Dev channel became login after logout, “I’m doing homework” or “I won’t be free til (insert whatever excuse British people use here)”. All our features, level progress, bugfixes, graphics… suddenly got left flattened in inactivity, which we thought would only last until the school seasons were over or holidays… but it left us extremely lazy and we realized:

We don’t want to work on this (for the time being) anymore.

Working on one project straight with no variation, hearing the grating Frozen Factory Zone music ten million times, being told to throw together a title screen, ‘fix this jerky unpredictable camera’...It’s all just incredibly draining. I honestly dunno what to even say past that, the truth is that we lost interest near the finish line and still kinda don’t have it. Everyone would much prefer to go back to working on that sweet ass SRB2 Kart build we’ve had brewing since 2.0 with more maps than Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and polish than whatever’s on the MB currently, than what we initially considered an experimental side project, Top Down. It literally got so bad at some point that one of our group members decided to go full fucking 4chan-style leak on our asses and threw the wip build in a sendspace file because it was taking too long, which led her getting cussed out and vanishing faster than my ability to pay student loans- So we’ve come together, literally in like four to five days (we’re that fast when we actually care, yep.) and smacked a little more than half of the things we planned to ‘fix’ for a release JUST to get it out the door. Thank Discord, its sleek design and fancy features lured everyone back into the Krew like flies.

This release has bugs.

This release needs polish.

This release has a lot of problems we may not even be aware of.

As ridiculous to say this release is still even after all this time, somewhat experimental. It’s not a 2017 project, it’s a 2014 one that’s time travelled into the future through the “I’ll do it next monday” capsule and continued getting humped by feature creep until it was so sore it couldn’t crawl with all the big plans we had for it anymore. Please do not expect much and be all snarky as fuck or some stupid shit like that, it's probably had less full-on devtime than Super Smash Brothers Melee when you really get down to things. It's just a rag-tag mod made by a few of us in our free-time, there’s a lotta love, sweat, and tears put into working with this annoying camera that clips into the nearest wall of 2000 miles, but it is what it is. Have fun with this short ‘demo’



Also I swear I'm the most useless member on the staff but for some reason unless I'm talking these guys literally don't move a muscle, like wtf. I disappeared for TWO YEARS, IMAGINE THIS. I'm honestly starting to get the idea that they're all just procedural generated entities and stop existing entirely when I double-click away far enough.


Spoiler: The History by CoatRack


CoatRack here, I have been tasked with shedding light on the history of Top Down, and where the mod you see today originated from. It’s been molded and shaped for nearly four years, in that time it has drawn inspirations from various sources and ideas we came up with. I will warn this is a lengthy read, as I am horrible with simplifying things and the mod has been in work for 4 or 5 years.


It all started in summer of 2013, I had been burned out working on Chaos Domain and was seeking something new to work with in hopes of rekindling the creative drive within me. I had been playing Spiral Knights some at the time, and was really enjoying it, when then triggered a memory in my head. So I thought “Wait a second, I saw Spherallic once working on a Spiral Knights themed level! I wonder, how well could someone make a level pack based around it…”, and that thought soon led me to ask Sphere about the textures, and if he still had them. Turns out, he did! After collecting the textures for him, I proceeded to construct a “proof of concept” map that you would remember as “Sky Islands” from the original post. It was built to prove my level design skills in building a more compact Top-Down based platformer/dungeon crawler gameplay, as well as test my idea to see if it would be any fun.

In only a few hours I had managed to construct the concept stage, and went to Kart Krew with the idea for testing. After a test game, they took interest and we all started to talk on possibilities of what could be come of it. I shared my vision of a more “Sonic Robo Blast 2 Spiral Knights” idea, and we started writing ideas based around that. We had plans for level themes and a dynamic level changing system much akin to the system in Spiral Knights, where the next level was based around a rotation system. Although, while this was going on I was -also- packing up to head to camp for a week. Which lead to time where I was unable to see what was going on, and where Top Down’s now seen style was formed.

I returned from camp to find folks still working away, Chromatian, Sryder, and Zipper were all working on their own stages. Though they were a far shot in the narrow imagination of what I had in mind, there were going less for a “dungeon” and more for a “living” environment. This caught me off guard, so I asked around and learned of the new systems that were being put in place. Talk on a single shared camera had started during my absence, which at first I was hesitant on accepting as I was unsure how it would work with the concept level I had started on. But after some conversing on the idea I was won over to how much more Co-op friendly it was, and how it would set the mod apart from the crowd of other multiplayer packs out there.

As development continued more ideas began to crop up, and others cropped out. Levels were scrapped due to them being incompatible with the new system, and because of mapper’s block draining the mappers of ideas. At around this time it a new element was brought up, sometime I was opposed to for a good while (just ask Iceman404 and the rest of the Krewe). Adding a competitive element to the base gametype, the Co-op mode. I saw this as defeating the purpose behind Co-op in I saw it as no one would be working to help the others, and instead be all about hogging the action to themselves leaving the others to rot. This was something I strongly brought up and fought tooth and nail against, but in the end I am happy my stubborn headedness didn’t get in the way as this feature gave birth to some fun additions and added replayability to the mod.

And that is what I can safely recall regarding the origins of Top Down, I would personally love to give a big shout out to Sryder. We would never have gotten this release out if he wasn’t willing to code the EXE for this mod, and put up with constant idea changes that required more coding! Also a big thanks to Iceman for taking pretty much the head of this project and guiding it to what it is today, props to both of these two, and all the Kart Krew!... Kart, huh...


“Tl;dr, Coat made a cool overhead map concept and I completely hijacked the hell out of it and got everyone to run with a completely different approach while he afk’d for 2 minutes; it all exploded into another thing. Never let me near your ideas ever again” ~Iceman404

“Thanks for that.” ~CoatRack

” ~Iceman404


Spoiler: The Zones by Chrome "Chromatian"

The Terminal

If you’ve ever wondered how Dr. Eggman moved so quickly from place to place, then you’ve found you answer. You’ll return here after finishing an adventure in a Zone, after which you can select any zone in any order. The icon above the switch will give you a clue as to where you’ll be headed. If you want more hints, look at the image that appears in the center of the room. For some reason, two of those switches are sealed tight, I wonder why that is?

Checkered Mountain

The adventure starts here! Checkered Mountain is a blocky Cliffside with lush green grass, pure blue waterfalls, and big checkered boulders. Use the Glow-Fruits to ascend to the peak, a teleporter awaits you there; its destination is Eggman’s old base, the Terminal .

Mainframe Metropolis

A database metro that moves all sorts of data from point A to point B, including you! As you move about the conveyor belts and data tunnels, watch out for the security system, Calling Heaven’s Righteousness Onto Malicious Entities (C.H.R.O.M.E). They’ll shoot anything that comes directly under their shadow.

Weather Factory

This airship isn’t owned by Eggman, surprisingly. The self-operating machine creates the weather you see every day and has been invaded by a couple familiar faces such as Cluckoid & Toxomister, along with a brand new face, Krackobot. Use clouds the clouds and fans to snag some extra points as you tour this weather generating airship

Frozen Factory

Eggman’s oil pumping factories never stop getting discovered, do they? Inside the Factory is steaming hot oil that will burn you with just one touch. Outside in the snowy mountain are collapsing bridges, Penguinators, and members of the Snow Gang. Try not to fall off as you wreak havoc inside and outside of the factory.

Minor Zones

Collect enough Chaos Coins and you’ll unlock a Minor Zone. Minor Zones have no boss and only contain a single act of gameplay, but they are slightly longer than a Major Zone. This is how our game will (or would have) handled progression.



Spoiler: The Gameplay by Chrome


Your basic SRB2 mechanics are here, but with a slight twist. Holding 1 ring will no longer be enough to save you from those nasty badniks. Instead, every 5 rings will add a count to your ring meter, letting you take another hit before you kick the bucket. You’ll start every level with 1 big ring in your meter, and for boss acts, you’ll get all 5 right from the get-go!.

Emblems are as big deal here as they are in Vanilla, however instead of being a record keeper, you’ll find 200 of them scattered about in every level. The more you collect in a short time, the higher your score will rise for each emblem. The first time you get all 200 is probably worth a reward, too….

Replacing the record keeping emblems are Chaos Coins. There are 5 in each level, and the more you collect, the more you unlock. Those closed switches in the Terminal and these coins are probably related, right? Grab them all, and you’ll gain access to the Ultimate Cheat.


Spoiler: The Characters by Chrome

Sonic
Speed: 12.5
Ability: Jump Thok
Details: Sonic is still the fastest of the three characters. His new ability, Jump Thok, helps him gain some new height and maintain speed during 180 degree turns. Of the three characters, Sonic is the most similar to his Vanilla counterpart.

Tails
Speed: 11.5
Ability: Fly/Swim
Details: Tails is extremely agile in TopDown, and his movement will help him run circles around Sonic & Knuckles during sections that require a lot of small adjustments. His ability to fly now requires you to hold the button down instead of tapping it, along with height cap so he doesn’t get too crazy. Pressing the Spin key while flying let’s Tails divebomb on any enemies below him, and propel right back up to the height he was at before the fall.

Knuckles
Speed: 12
Ability: Climb/Glide
Details: Knuckles spent some time doing squats before heading to TopDown, and his hard work has paid off! His jump height is now 100 like every other character. Gliding has a few alterations compared to Vanilla. First, momentum from your current speed is kept during a glide, for best results, charge a spindash and glide after a full jump. Second, while sliding on the floor after landing from a glide, Knuckles can jump-cancel the animation. Lastly, climbing has a limit on how much distance you can travel before falling off, if you see Knuckles scrambling while on the wall, that’s your cue to get back to safe ground! The direction Knuckles is facing will affect which direction is up and down, so if he’s facing right when he connects with the wall, use right to go up and left to go down, and vice-versa Of the three characters, Knuckles required some special attention in order to get him working well inside of TopDown.


Spoiler: Multiplayer by Chrome


We Highly Recommend no more than 4 players for most enjoyment. All 32 players are supported in Top Down, but gameplay quickly devolves into a bubble bath beyond 6. It’s absolutely hilarious, but not something that will work well unless your group is incredibly well coordinated.

The bulk of Multiplayer is a Cooperative Competition for highest score at the end of the Zone. Final scores are tallied based on score earned in level, damage+death penalty, and emblem bonus. The results screen will reward the top 4 ranked players with medal, while every other player will just get a special mention for participating. Lives are shared between every player, with three being the starting count. 1ups will reward a life for each player in the server. All monitor power-ups are awarded to every player alive, but only the player who popped the monitor will receive points towards their score; get greedy, it won’t hurt anybody.

"Small note, but a big note actually. Thanks to JTE, Chaos Coins (or Vanilla emblem reskins) work in multiplayer using the host's save file. That actually means this works like a real game you don't lose your progress in when the server crashes, yay!" ~Iceman404



Spoiler: Documentation by Wolfy

Lua Functions
P_SpawnShadowMobj(mobj_t *mobj) - Spawns a shadow mobj below the mobj specified. This is used internally to give all players and enemies shadows that change size according to height.
P_BubblePlayer(player_t *player) - Puts the player into a bubble. Automatically called when the player presses the tossflag key or moves too far away from the group.
P_UnbubblePlayer(player_t *player) - Unbubbles the player.
P_DoTDEmblemScore(player_t *player) - Called when an emblem is collected. Adds to the player’s score and displays how many points were awarded.
Lua Struct Variables
player_t:
(fixed_t) maxflyheight - Maximum height the player can fly to as Tails.
(INT32) emblems - Number of emblems the player has collected.
(tic_t) climbtime - Time that the player has been climbing if Knuckles.
(UINT32) damagededuct - Number of times hit and killed for the damage deduction in TD
(UINT32) levelscore - Score the player has gotten in the current level
(boolean) bubbletag - Determines whether or not the player is protected from unbubbling. Used to prevent the player from unbubbling over pits.




New Linedefs
Linedef Type 446: Enable/Disable Shared TD Camera

Level Header Flags/Parameters
LF_TDNOSHAREDCAMERA - Disables the shared camera used in TD levels. If used in splitscreen, the screen will actually be split. Can also be enabled by adding TDNoSharedCamera = 1 to the header.
LF_TDBOSSZONE - Specifies the level as a boss zone, meaning that players will not respawn until all other players on the map have died. Can also be enabled by adding TDBossZone = 1 to the header.

45 Degree Isometric Camera & Old Damage System
"Hi guys, I'm awake now. I'm glad to see this finally out, although it is a slight surprise to me too. :P

Wolfy has forgotten some documentation and it will probably be added into the first post when Iceman is awake again. The first of these is the level header option "TDBlast". Add this into a level header to cause the camera and gameplay to be rotated appropriately. For example, TDBlast = 45 will give you a 45-degree camera angle, just like 3D Blast. Next is that TD maps have 2 extra TypeOfLevel flags to work like TD Maps, the first is "TD" or "TOL_TD", this gives you the TD gameplay and camera etc. The other is "ND" or "TOL_ND", this gives you the ability to activate or turn off the "New Damage" system that we have in the TD levels and go back to the classic Sonic system. Go wild, and have fun. :)" ~Sryder13






Spoiler: Known Bugs by Wolfy

Tails ascends slowly, even after reaching his flight cap
Loading TD maps in ringslinger gametypes can crash the game
Any emblems collected by a player who leaves the game will disappear until the map is reset
First-Person Camera mode is broken, use at your own risk


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(We'll figure out compressing later): http://lightdash.org/SRB2/Releases/TDMusic.7z

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Old 01-29-2017   #42
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Nice to see this finally get its release (as unpolished as it appears to be atm). The mod is enjoyable, though it can be a bit hard at times but that's probably cuz this is mainly a co-op mod.

Also, can someone tell me what the music is in Stormy Streets? I've heard it before but I just can't lay my finger on it...
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Old 01-29-2017   #43
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I have a problem with the music, can't hear nothing, downloaded the music file already, and nothing. Tried to add the music file in-game and still.
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Old 01-29-2017   #44
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Could new levels be made for this?

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Old 01-29-2017   #45
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Finally is hereeee!!!! Just 3 years waiting without account. GLAP GLAP GLAP GLAP GLAP! :v (just kidding xD)...
I'm so happy to download it, thank you guys <3!
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Old 01-29-2017   #46
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Whose bright idea was it to use invisible FOFs instead of impassible lines?
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Old 01-29-2017   #47
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Code:
SRB2 Development EXE -ERROR LOG-


srb2TD caused an Access Violation in module srb2TD.exe at 001b:004a0a23.
Exception handler called in main thread.
Error occurred at 1/29/2017 16:59:54.
D:\SRB2\srb2TD.exe, run by Steel Titanium.
2 processor(s), type 586 6.3853.
Program Memory from 0x00010000 to 0x7FFEFFFF
2039 MBytes physical memory.
Read from location f0f0f189 caused an access violation.

Registers:
EAX=f0f0f0f1 CS=001b EIP=004a0a23 EFLGS=00010206
EBX=0178b3e0 SS=0023 ESP=0022fa10 EBP=00000000
ECX=00010000 DS=0023 ESI=01784060 FS=003b
EDX=00000040 ES=0023 EDI=00080000 GS=0000
Command Line parameters: Bytes at CS : EIP:
8b ?? b8 ?? 98 ?? 00 ?? 00 ?? 00 ?? 85 ?? ff ?? 75 ?? 10 ?? e9 ?? be ?? 02 ?? 00 ?? 00 ?? 8b ?? 
Stack dump:
Crash when trying to join Cobalt's server, current map was the hub.
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Old 01-30-2017   #48
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Hi, if anyone who experienced a crash has a srb2td.rpt in their folder could they paste the relevant section into crash report post please? Either that or forward the file to me if it's there (I think that is what it would be called, I am not completely sure). Thanks.
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Old 01-30-2017   #49
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Impassible Lindefs....work?

Since when???
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Old 01-30-2017   #50
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I'm pretty sure since 2.1.14!
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Old 01-30-2017   #51
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You're late to the party :p
I did this just around thirty minutes after it released and Blade and Iceman404 joined my server
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Old 01-30-2017   #52
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Got all 38 Chaos Coins, but Pandora's Box isn't unlocked. When I got the 200 emblem coins for the 2 secret levels, it said I didn't get them, then the game crashed when I checked in Record Attack. Reloaded, now it's saying I have them, but I don't have Pandora's Box.

EDIT: It seemed to have solved itself. That final secret is absurdly fun.
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Old 01-30-2017   #53
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Really glad to see this finally get a release! You guys worked very hard on this and the work shows. Thanks again for an awesome mod.
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Impassible Lindefs....work?

Since when???
As far as I recall they've been around the whole 2.1 release cycle so far?

In other news, I have a fix for the Lava Mountain freeze issue, turns out it's an issue that occurs in vanilla SRB2 too (who knew?): http://git.magicalgirl.moe/STJr/SRB2/merge_requests/159
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Old 01-31-2017   #55
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First off, congratulations on releasing. It's nice to see admission of how hard it really is directly instead of excuses, so good on you for admitting it =P

As to the mod itself, I had quite a bit of fun, although there are definitely some issues that really bother me. Instead of going level by level, I'm just going to provide a list of things I feel could use some improvement.
  • The health system is certainly unique, but in single player it's just as generous if not more so than standard SRB2. It's also really nonsensical to start out and part of that is due to changing what established mechanics mean. Instead of changing what rings and emblems mean, why not create new mechanics that don't have preexisting meaning so players won't get confused. For example, use hearts for the health and use coins for the collectable. Neither of these has a specific meaning in Sonic already, so players won't have any preconceptions you have to overwrite about how things work.
  • While there are clearly issues with canned content, the hub is really, really problematic in its current state. I was super confused for quite a while and this could be strongly fixed by just removing the 2 gate entirely.
  • Because of the perspective, it's majorly problematic whenever you need to guess where an object is in midair without the shadows to aid you. By far the worst offenders here are the clouds in the water room in Weather Factory and the polyobject riding in Mainframe Metropolis. In both instances it's super hard to judge where in space the midair objects are until it's too late. It's also clear that you guys didn't really test what happened if you fell into the water in WFZ, because it's handled super badly and it's basically a guaranteed death the first time.
  • MMZ and WFZ's bosses are just complete waiting games. MMZ's in particular takes absolutely forever because it's a bad idea to make sudden movements to try to reach the shots because of the spikes, and it basically always fires far away from you. The pinch makes MMZ's boss way more tolerable, and honestly I'd prefer the fight if it stayed that way permanently.
  • There are invisible walls everywhere in the stages. While I understand the basic reasoning behind using them, they're still incredibly obnoxious and off-putting in a lot of places. The whole package would be dramatically improved by removing most of them, and replacing the ones that are truly necessary with solid midtextures instead of walls that reach the heavens.
Don't let the complaints fool you, though. I had quite a bit of fun. The two unlockable stages are by far the best part, and [REDACTED] was an absolute blast. A simple polish pass would do a world of good, though.

Oh, and figure out how to do a split archive already, as you're still technically against the forum rules on Releases without the music uploaded as an attachment. I'm sure a bunch of people would be willing to help you in that regard.
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Oh, and figure out how to do a split archive already, as you're still technically against the forum rules on Releases without the music uploaded as an attachment. I'm sure a bunch of people would be willing to help you in that regard.
What are you talking about? I can see zip splits with the music just fine.
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Old 01-31-2017   #57
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This is absolutely amazing. I can't believe you guys managed what you did in this mod. I'll post more about it when I have the time to play it all, but seriously, give yourselves a pat on the back for getting this thing out. It's wonderful.

On another note, nowhere in the original post did I actually have a fucking clue what the mod actually was before I downloaded it. I read like 5 textwalls in a row without reading a simple general description about what this thing actually is! I've been gone for a while, I didn't follow the hype and neither did the entire forum. Describe the thing you're talking about before you talk about it!!
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Old 01-31-2017   #58
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Um...found a small bug. If you fly too high in the Topdown Terminal as Tails, the game crashes. Only problem is I'm not entirely sure how to post the crash report since I'm kind of a newbie at that sort of thing...

Edit: I've replicated it three times in a row. It's a pretty easy bug to accomplish.

Edit 2: Knock Knock!! Turns out Knuckles can do it too!! It's a lot more specific with him but it definitely can be done!
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Old 01-31-2017   #59
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There wouldn't be a crash report anyway because it's a freeze. You only get crash reports if the game closes.

I did reproduce the bug myself tho. It seems to only happen in software.
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Old 01-31-2017   #60
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Maybe the freeze in topdown terminal is due to the problem MI reported and fixed?
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Old 01-31-2017   #61
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Just looked into it and it sounds like the same kind of freeze that has already been fixed, I'll make sure to check it when the fix is merged in.
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