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Old 04-13-2014   #2241
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Oh hey, I made this. Quite a while ago. Apparently.

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Old 04-13-2014   #2242
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Kay, so... 8 of those pictures aren't even MY characters, 2 of them actually having "original" designs,
Super Mystic doesn't even count; it's a form, so don't cry,
Striker is literally solely made to be able to compete with overpowered SRB2 characters,
And the rest have an actual backstory to them. Don't judge a book by it's cover.

P.S.: Why don't you set an example?



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Old 04-13-2014   #2243
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Kay, so... 8 of those pictures aren't even MY characters, 2 of them actually having "original" designs,
Super Mystic doesn't even count; it's a form, so don't cry,
Striker is literally solely made to be able to compete with overpowered SRB2 characters,
And the rest have an actual backstory to them. Don't judge a book by it's cover.

P.S.: Why don't you set an example?
Oh goody. This will be more fun than I had expected.

I'm going to take a gander and say the 8 that you're talking about are two SMS pics, three Sonic pics, Jill, May and... Conduit or something? Still leaves like 16 pictures that actually are your characters. And I'm going to guess that the two "original" you're referring to are Cyan Aqua and... god I don't even know what. Cyan is literally the only character in your library that isn't a hedgehog or fox. Or I think it isn't; looks more like a wolf. Even then, his whole design feels rather contrived. Overly clothed with an oversaturated palette. Manipulates water (Because you have to make him an elemental gimmick that isn't too overpowered right? Most characters are manipulating fire after all. Or lightning. Or the fabric of time and space.)

"Super Mystic doesn't even count; it's a form, so don't cry" -- Oh good to know, Super Mystic Tails isn't original enough to be a fancharacter; it's even lower than that. Thanks for establishing this for me.

"Striker is literally solely made to be able to compete with overpowered SRB2 characters" - And you think this is a good thing, why? You've literally just made a character that's more overpowered than everything else. Also he's a hedgehog, probably from an ancient race or something. Bonus points for breaking the same ground as everyone else there.

"And the rest have an actual backstory to them. Don't judge a book by it's cover." - I couldn't give two shits what your backstory is. The fact of the matter is that your perception of what a "good" fancharacter is is narrowly limited to the character designs set by the official cast. Pretty much all of them use Sonic or Tails as their base, change the color, put way too many clothes on them, give them hairstyles or different tribal markings, and then give them some sort of elemental power. The worst of the official games don't do this. Look at the cast: Blaze the Cat, Cream the Rabbit, Chaos, Emerl, Vector the Crocodile, Jet, and notice how all of these are not only different species (if Chaos and Emerl can even be classified as that), but also have dramatically different designs. The least original characters ever introduced to the series might have been Shadow and Silver, and you've easily trumped their level of mediocrity simply by trying to justify them with clutter and trinkets.

If it seems like I'm being hard on you, don't worry; your work isn't even close to the worst example in the Sonic community, if only because the bar has been set so low to begin with. And for what it's worth, you're probably not as clueless compared to your roleplaying friends' notions of originality.

I personally don't do fan characters because I have no use for them. If I were to actually make a character (and I do have the art and mental capability for it), it would have a functional purpose, likely for an SRB2 character wad that uses some sort of fun gimmick, and its design would be inspired by how it plays. I would avoid copying off of the designs of any of the official cast and would instead strive for something new that follows the general art style of SRB2/the old Sonic games.



If you want my opinion on what a decent fan character is, here are a couple examples:

http://www.deviantart.com/art/Just-plain-Ruby-63011078
A species less frequently used, nonderivative and not overcomplicated design, a focused color scheming. To my knowledge, the only functional purpose of jen's characters is to bend elements and act as some of the official characters' girlfriends, which is not that inspiring. But from an aesthetic standpoint she does a good job.

http://mb.srb2.org/showthread.php?t=31025
Yes, Hinote is a decent character. Species less frequently used, nonderivative design, focused color scheming. Her personality is imbued into her sprites, and her gameplay is balanced and simple, but also distinct from the official characters.

Honorable mention: http://mb.srb2.org/showthread.php?t=37629
Obviously Tails inspired, but the stylization is so distinct from anything else on here that I can't really criticize it.
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Old 04-13-2014   #2244
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I'd even go so far as to say that there is no such thing as a good fan character, because the whole concept of a "fan character" is derivative by definition. Just because some of them are implemented with decent production values doesn't change the fact that they inherently have no merit.
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Old 04-13-2014   #2245
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Umm... is it me, or does it look like this topic is shifting over into "talk about fan-characters while others post their art?" Eh, here's another plain Sonic drawing to tide you people over.


It's Super Sonic, with some sparkles and the 7 Chaos Emeralds on the bottom-right corner. Very simple.

Right now I can't draw any more pictures, since I lost my little stylus thing that I use to draw on my Paper app. I'll upload some of the pictures I already have until then.
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Old 04-13-2014   #2246
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I'd even go so far as to say that there is no such thing as a good fan character, because the whole concept of a "fan character" is derivative by definition. Just because some of them are implemented with decent production values doesn't change the fact that they inherently have no merit.
I think there is such a thing, but the scope is extremely narrowly limited to those which have a practical function. Most fan characters are designed without any valuable purpose in mind. Hinote is the one character that comes to mind as being aesthetically and mechanically relevant, particularly because her gameplay justifies her existence and her design is hardly derivative at all.
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Old 04-13-2014   #2247
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Preety much the Special Stages' Rank system in a nutshell...
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Old 04-14-2014   #2248
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A few of of my pixel art masterpieces.
SMW Style Shading included

Sonic:

Tails:

Knuckles:

Shadow:

The "Evil", "Scary", "Spooky", Sonic.exe:

Dr. Robotnik w/ Egg Walker:


EDIT: I personally like sonic.exe the best.
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Old 04-14-2014   #2249
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I think my eyes just burned from those bad things you call "drawings." You can barely see the eyes on Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, and Shadow.
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Old 04-14-2014   #2250
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I think my eyes just burned from those bad things you call "drawings."
well that's kind of harsh
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Old 04-14-2014   #2251
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well that's kind of harsh
Okay, maybe it was... but still, they don't really look that good...
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Old 04-14-2014   #2252
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I'm just going to go post this quick painting I did of a swamp witch from a certain video game I've been playing. Nothing more to it, but some quick practice.

I do enjoy that rainbow looking flame on her hat.


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Old 04-14-2014   #2253
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well that's kind of harsh
Hypocritical, much?

This is my last post regarding the subject of fan characters. (At least for a long while, probably will come back up again some time if I keep posting stuff here)

Big huge list of stuff in here, made a spoiler to not take up a huge chunk of the page.
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Also... Cyan isn't my character, it's a friend's. ...I'll be honest and say, I REALLY haven't got that great of examples on that page. I take back the "two original designs" thing. :v

SMT is a fan FORM. Some of you people can't tell that the whole Super Mystic thing is actually the characters themselves just in an alternate form.

Oh, and Super Sonic is literally just a golden version of Sonic with his spines risen; a super saiyan rip off. Not even Sonic itself has originality. Yet no-one complains about that.

Also, Striker isn't from an ancient race or tribe or any of that bullshit. He's a regular character that got stranded on an island for a good few years. His power is to MATCH characters. No matter how powerful they are, he will MATCH them. If they're underpowered, he'll MATCH them. He won't be better than them, he won't be worse. It gives EVERYONE a run for their money.

Fan characters are never TRULY original if they resemble the Sonic style anyway.
That example picture is eh. Hinote, yeah, sure, good character design. Jasper is a good example of a fan character... that doesn't really resemble the official style a huge deal. I have a few "original" designs for a few of my characters provided by some of my talented friends.

I'm aware that I myself can barely draw designs worth crap, but honestly, it's not a walk in the park. If I recall, no-one started off with designs like that. That character example probably began as a green Tails.

I have a character called Chase. He's a mink. Brown fur, 10 years of age, little thief with hardly any education whatsoever. No powers. At all. I'd show a ref but it was drawn by one of my friends and they're not fond of their art being posted without permission.

Another called Bow Tik Zephil. Dragon. Hulky and powerful, slow as hell, doesn't breathe fire, but spews water everywhere.

Darkness. Husky. Long depressing backstory, yet every single bit of it was actually roleplayed, not just made out of the top of my head.

Metallic, a hedgehog but with no powers, who is solely dependant on technology and a little bit of experience in hand to hand combat.

I TRY to make original characters, buuuut usually fail when it comes to design. Doesn't mean I can't make a few jokes about original characters, though, I mean seriously.

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Old 04-14-2014   #2254
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Still working on shading...and actually making it look good.
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Old 04-14-2014   #2255
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Can someone show this to Rex The Kitsune?
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Old 04-14-2014   #2256
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Fan characters are never TRULY original if they resemble the Sonic style anyway.
A good fan character (assuming such a thing exists) should draw inspiration from the source content's universe to create something new. Hinote draws inspiration from the Sonic universe to create a different type of character with its own gameplay, but doesn't confine itself to the animal archetypes set by the main characters.

Super Sonic is a parody of Dragon Ball Z, as is the emeralds being a carryover of the "seven sacred stones" cliche, and the Death Egg from Star Wars. When Sonic Team does a reference to another lore like this, it's clever or at least amusing. When anyone creates a new character that uses one of the main characters' designs as a base, it just comes off as uninspired. To that end I think you've missed the point.

If you want constructive criticism on how to improve on your character designs, some of us can probably help you on that. The purpose of my spiel is just to correct your naivety in assuming those previous examples are particularly less generic than your OP-Slayer.
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Old 04-14-2014   #2257
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A good fan character (assuming such a thing exists) should draw inspiration from the source content's universe to create something new. Hinote draws inspiration from the Sonic universe to create a different type of character with its own gameplay, but doesn't confine itself to the animal archetypes set by the main characters.
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A good fan character (assuming such a thing exists) should draw inspiration from the source content's universe to create something new. Hinote draws inspiration from the Sonic universe to create a different type of character with its own gameplay, but doesn't confine itself to the animal archetypes set by the main characters.

If you want constructive criticism on how to improve on your character designs, some of us can probably help you on that. The purpose of my spiel is just to correct your naivety in assuming those previous examples are particularly less generic than your OP-Slayer.
Good fancharacters don't exist. Their sole purpose, to have a connection to an artistic world already created, really prevents them from being good in the sense of originality compared to any other form of art or style of drawing. However, how original and good they are in the context of being a fancharacter can vary. Sonic fancharacters generally fall into the "Not that great" sector of both originality and over-all interest, but compared to the ones I've seen on Deviantart, I'd say ones like Hinote aren't that bad.

Anyways, I drew pokemon. Enjoy a low quality picture of said pokemon.

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The topic on fan characters is rather subjective. I do have to say, you can't be original when it comes to creating a fan character because you're creating a character based from a series already made. From what I've learned over the past with my experiences as a student artist, it's difficult to be original because people will always find something that inspires them create. When you design, you want something that appeals to your target audience.

In my case, I've made Hinote 8 years ago. That's a long time ago and I was only starting to learn what designing meant. My inspiration came from Official Sonic characters, and it's evident Blaze the Cat inspired me to make Hinote. I can't say she's original, but at least she does have a design that doesn't bother others and that's what makes her appealing. The other inspiration I took to create her design was my ponytail I used to have when I was a child.

Really, for your sake Burning-Fox, there is no need to be defensive over your characters if others are trying to criticise your characters. Not everyone is going to like what you've created.

I haven't drawn Hinote in years, and it makes me feel 13 again everytime I do.

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The topic on fan characters is rather subjective. I do have to say, you can't be original when it comes to creating a fan character because you're creating a character based from a series already made. From what I've learned over the past with my experiences as a student artist, it's difficult to be original because people will always find something that inspires them create. When you design, you want something that appeals to your target audience.
I just want to point out that all art is inspired by something. Taking inspiration from some source lore or franchise isn't enough to make your work 'unoriginal'.

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