TimberWolf
Official ***** Troll
Agreed, mostly. Could the thok also have a cooldown period, to further prevent thokspam? It would only have to be 2-5 seconds.
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Blitz the Coyote
Member
Mystic, as much as I respect you and all the work you've done, I have to call you out on this one. Digiku suggested that I make a post in the suggestions topic; and if you had total proof that this could not work, why didn't you post it in the original topic? Seeing as you did not post anything of the sort, how can you be repeating yourself? I am not questioning wheather this is possible, as I have full confidence in your programming knowledge, but I am questioning you. Again, I'm done with this conversation here, as I don't want to flood the topic with argruments, but I would appriciate a conversation in PM. Please contact me thusly.
Also, the above. I hate race because of how Sonic dominates it.
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oh man
And TimberWolf, Tails and Knuckles suck everywhere except where they're overpowered. I generally don't forceskin Sonic so people don't lag behind as slow characters, I do it so nobody clears Arid Canyon in 30 seconds.
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Spazzo
Member
Well, we aren't exactly obligated to answer to every balance-related inquiry our community sends us. In fact, you're lucky we even look at all, most game developers wouldn't take a second glance.
You don't have a right to complain when you don't understand what goes into balancing a game so that things are fun to play. This isn't a simple "ok remove thok all done" issue. Levels would need redesigning, balance issues would still arise, and so on and so forth.
After weighing the pros and cons, we simply came to the resolve that it wasn't worth the effort. We just decided to keep consistency and simplicity, which for all intents and purposes, works great. Play as Sonic, if you want to do good at race. It's not our fault you want to exclusively play as Tails, as it's to your disadvantage in the long run.
So please, cut it out, TimberWolf.
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Guys, race will never be balanced because the abilities are completely unbalanced based on the level. If you remove the thok or gimp the thok, the result would be that Tails would then be the only character anyone would ever play in race, and you guys would all be whining eternally about the spindash-flight trick. Remove that and then some other character ability would end up over powered depending on the stage and the time of day. The reality is that our character ability system was not designed with race mode in mind, and it shows based on how different characters are fastest in different levels.
There is no way that a stage could be built where there is actual, legitimate balance between such wildly different abilities. One character would still, through all effort to balance it, end up as the "optimal" choice. There is a reason racing games always give all the characters the same abilities and just vary the stats a little for balance. If suddenly Luigi could fly and Peach could glide in Mario Kart, the gameplay balance would just go out the window, no matter how they designed the race tracks. Look at Diddy Kong Racing, it does this =P
There is no way that a stage could be built where there is actual, legitimate balance between such wildly different abilities. One character would still, through all effort to balance it, end up as the "optimal" choice. There is a reason racing games always give all the characters the same abilities and just vary the stats a little for balance. If suddenly Luigi could fly and Peach could glide in Mario Kart, the gameplay balance would just go out the window, no matter how they designed the race tracks. Look at Diddy Kong Racing, it does this =P
Panty shot y/n
PrismaticAngel
Dutch word-doer
But still, I hate it that Sonic's thok is so powerful. I mean, everytime I use Sonic's thok in some place I end up in a deathpit, or anything damaging, and thats annoying. Sonic's also absurdly hard to control and thats why I generally avoid playing as him. It could at least be toned a small bit.
Srb2kirbyo
Goes by Kirboy in netgames
Yeah, It is like me complaining about strafing, rail ring and mouselook. Just because I can't use it very well doesn't mean it should be dealt with
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TimberWolf
Official ***** Troll
... Except that it is REALLY HARD to control Tails' flight at normal speeds, let alone with a speed boost.
Well, the spindash-flight trick is easy to understand but hard to perfect. The same thing holds true for the thok. It's easy to mash thok over and over again and go fast, but you'll go FASTER if you time your thoks properly and do it at the right point in the jump.
Everyone seems to think that thokking in race is a horrible thing. Thokking is what causes people to separate from the pack and gain a lead. The better you are at it, the farther in front you'll get, especially in harder stages like ERZ.
Everyone seems to think that thokking in race is a horrible thing. Thokking is what causes people to separate from the pack and gain a lead. The better you are at it, the farther in front you'll get, especially in harder stages like ERZ.
You don't seem to know how many people have suggested it. It won't happen.
PrismaticAngel
Dutch word-doer
Yeah, I'm not very good with Sonic, so it's my own fault. I most usually use Knuckles anyway, his speed and control are balanced and his glide and climb ability are extremely useful in most places.
If you don't want to get hit, go somewhere where people won't find you.
If you can't find such a place, wait and talk once it's safe.
If you can't wait, remember you're playing a game. You're very often way too serious about everything.
And a personal note, it sounds like YOU'RE the jackass. The point of Match (and to an extent, CTF) is to shoot people. Not sit around and talk. If somebody shoots you in these gametypes, regardless of situation, they're doing everything right.
I don't get how you get killed in Coop, though. Do you sit around in a patch of Crawlas?
lrn2aim
TimberWolf
Official ***** Troll
Tried. Kinda doesn't work when everyone is everywhere.
Again, kinda hard when everyone is everywhere, or if what I need to say to the host (or teammates) has to be said right then and there.
I hate having my fun interfered with. I can have fun, just not when I keep being hit by some dick while I'm talking to teammates or the host.
Team Match and CTF. Team-based games. Teams need to talk to each other to coordinate things and win.
A LITTLE hard to miss a point-blank range, Neo.
There have been suggestions to add a Quake 3 style voice bubble above your head when you type, but even such a feature doesn't prevent people from hitting you when you're typing. When I play Quake 3 I always get this smug satisfaction with hitting people with the bubble above them. In SRB2, I always go with a "typing = free points" approach. If you're so concerned with not getting hit, don't type something. If you type, just accept you're taking the risk you might get hit.
The weapon ring collision detection is not known to fail at all, so if you're missing, you might want to aim better. At point range things move so fast it's quite possible to miss, even with Scatter. I have never had any issues with the weapon rings missing when it wasn't my fault.
The weapon ring collision detection is not known to fail at all, so if you're missing, you might want to aim better. At point range things move so fast it's quite possible to miss, even with Scatter. I have never had any issues with the weapon rings missing when it wasn't my fault.
Ghost_Zero
wow it's toast
Snip: Moved to Character suggestion topic.
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stoneywagner
SRB2-inactive
Make it so SRB2 tells you when there is an update available.
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