Re: Hm...
Woah, dude, you need some serious chill time.
Django Urikashima said:
And then, I gave my counter Argument.
Uh, okay.
Django Urikashima said:
Ash said:
Uh, dude, he wasn't using your name. You have it all mixed up: He automatically gains the attributes of the host. Basically, once he joins, he's whoever the host is, be it you, or any other person.
So he's still taking my Identity then, for he's not using his own name to do his own crap.
Netgame impersonation. Happens all the time, and you can't do anything about it. SRB2Live will supposedly fix this.
Django Urikashima said:
Ash said:
I'm not his associate, so don't act like I am. He just happens to be someone I know, and he talks about it. The fact of the matter is, I'm not doing anything. I can't change his mind about something by just saying "DUDE YOU CANT DO THAT STOP IT NOW". Also, I'm not encouraging it; all I said was that it was funny. And come on, you know it is. And... I'm one of the "good guys"? I don't get it, there's a class system now? I don't even know who you are! Lurkers. D=
You're not trying to stop him either. whether you have a hand in it or not, If you know that he's doing it, yet you don't do anything at all, then you're part of the problem. In point, yeah I think it's funny to ruin things for everyone else; However, I don't think it's funny when
I'M the joke. You understand me? I'm pretty sure if you were one of his victims, you'd see it differently, but seeing as how it hasn't happened to you, what would you know? and yeah, I don't know you either. However, going by a lot of recent posts when I decide to show up on the rare times I'm here, I've seen a good amount of people doing something to bring down the total amount of noobish-acting people around here, you being one of them, hence the assumption that you weren't a bad-guy around here. Sheesh, your accusations are even worse than mine.
It really doesn't matter if he stops or not. I have asked him to stop doing a number of OTHER famous SRB2 hacking things, and didn't listen to me. So why would this time be any different? See, that's the thing: You cannot be sure of whether or not I'm doing something about it. You can't automatically add me onto the problem just because I know him. A lot of people do, and this includes oldbies, moderators, and administrators as well. Are they part of the problem just because they know him? No. Also, I never said "it's funny for things to be ruined for other people", I said it's just funny. You need to lighten up, as it's happened to a lot of people so far.
Hell, he even did it to me and caught me off guard (fyi: I was one of his victims, and it entailed gravity, tunes, name changing, bans, and other stuff). My reaction? Laughs. Why? Because it was funny! I like how you think that I'm totally immune from this just because I talk to this person, because that's untrue, and you have no way to prove that basis.
Accusations? Your point is too jumpy to determine a solid form of argument.
Oh, and with the noobs, well, I'm not trying to do anything to them, let alone "remove" them, per se; I'd rather have them reformed into better members.
Django Urikashima said:
Ash said:
You misunderstand. I'm speaking the entire internet as a whole, not our little SRB2 hub of the internet. SRB2 itself isn't the entire internet, now is it?
even if it's just a Hub of the Internet, doesn't that still make it the Internet?
That makes it
part of the internet, not the internet.
Django Urikashima said:
Ash said:
Once again, misunderstanding. He's not using your name, he's becoming the host. He isn't breaking into your computer, he's just joining your netgame and becoming the host. He isn't stealing your identify, he's becoming the host (also, wasn't it declared before that netgame impersonators often impersonate others by just using their netgame name? It happened to me too, and it's not "Identity Theft" by definition, soz). He isn't hijacking your controls, as you still have control, but both of you share it, as he becomes the host. Think of it this way: Two co-hosts are created when he does what he does. That's all. Also, those aren't felonies, because the terms you used were just used as terms; the actual definitions of those felonies where never actually committed in SRB2. Also, those terms were used completely out of context.
Is it? Whether he's sharing the controls or not, I did not give him permission to get into my server to take control of something I did not allow him to get. If I had said "Sure, I don't mind sharing the Console with you!", then that'd be different. However, he just barged right in, took over the console, and what you just said, Became the host, which is me. He still assumed my identity by not using his own, and he did it without my permission. And if "Hijack" Does not mean "to take control of", then what is your friend doing? He's certainly not hosting a tea party.
Dude, you don't understand what identity theft means. No, it doesn't mean "he's using my nickname ;_;", it's legal terminology (and I'm assuming that's what you're going by).
Identity Theft - a crime in which an imposter obtains key pieces of personal information, such as Social Security or driver's license numbers, in order to impersonate someone else.
Netgame impersonation is not a crime. It just happens.
As for hijacking, I suppose it could go under that category, but
only under that category. Think: It's just a game. What do you lose? A temporary server used for collecting players to play this game. Does this game cost money? Nope. What do you lose? Nothing (unless you want to count time). You act as if he was trying to launch a virus on your computer, blow up your harddrive, and disabling your internet access for a year. This is not as serious as you would think.
Django Urikashima said:
However, you are right to say that he is not breaking and entering. When I hosted the game, I allowed anyone to come in. However, that Privilege he had was revoked when he began to use that connection to take control of my server. When it comes down to it, You contradict your statements in a desperate attempt to protect your friend. What he did was not Right, that much is Clear. If you can't open your eyes and see that, then you have no right to make blind statements to a problem I had to endure because of YOUR Friend.
You appear to just be stringing words together to try to make yourself seem like you've gotten a very well thought out rebuttal, but this is not the case. How do I contradict myself? I'm not trying to protect my friend, rather, I'm trying to get this whole issue cleared so the drama would stop. What he did may not have been right in retrospect, but then again, guess what happens to all of these exploits and bugs? They go into bugfixing to better improve the final game, SRB2 1.1. Did you ever think about that? It looks like my eyes are plenty lucid, whilst yours are murky. My statements are how I see them, so they aren't blind.
Also, way to go, over-accentuating the fact that he's a friend of mine. In the long run, does that fact really matter so much? It doesn't help convey your point any further than you want it to.
Django Urikashima said:
Ash said:
You guys are taking this more seriously than you really should be. =|
I take it seriously because I like playing SRB2, and I don't want to have to worry that every time I try to play a few games with a couple of friends and random people, that some Arson is going to randomly come in and destroy a good time and obliterate the hard work that we, my friends, teammates and I, had put in.
Uh, hosting a server is hard work? It's not meant to "destroy a good time" and "obliterate hard work". If it were really like that, a more productive form of hacking would to be to annihilate your entire SRB2 folder, right? You seem to think that it's only you, but you need to come to realize that you're not the only one involved. A lot of people have experienced this already.
Django Urikashima said:
Ash said:
By the way, you'll most likely never find out who the hacker actually is if you joined any less than 3 years ago. Seriously, he's not even active on the SRB2MB anymore, though I'm sure he lurks, but as a hidden user.
Again, I don't give a damn who the user is. He could be a f-----g Ghost for all I care, But I want him to stop acting like a Jerk and quit before he messes with the wrong person. I may not be the one who will bring him down, but someone will eventually, that much you can be sure of.
He's not a bad person. Your views are totally corrupt just because you were the victim of a prank. Come to realize that all of this is for nothing more than a cheap laugh, and bugfixing.
Biased opinions and childish mudslinging will get you nowhere. Srsly.
