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TheGuyThatDrawsThings 07-19-2016 05:43 AM

Has anyone ever tried to play SRB2 without jumping?
 
I thought of that after watching Pannenkoek2012's videos, so I tried to do that with Sonic, and I can confirm that it is possible, but you are more likely to be softlocked, as you are not allowed to jump.
GFZ3, which is usually easy, is now impossible because it's impossible to hit Eggman without jumping.
(note, spinning and whirlwind jumps are accepted)

Ors 07-19-2016 08:03 AM

For the GFZ3 claim, Red Enchilada has done the impossible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wte_rQN8fUo

Anyway, if you want a fun challenge, try DSZ1 =)

RomioTheBadass 07-19-2016 08:19 AM

I Can't find a way to get into the cave (GFZ1) before the checkpoint, guess it's not possible to do in every map .
EDIT : Nevermind, get hurt by badniks .

TheGuyThatDrawsThings 07-19-2016 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Ors (Post 782001)
For the GFZ3 claim, Red Enchilada has done the impossible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wte_rQN8fUo

Wat.
WAT.
That is the most insane thing to do in SRB2.
Seriously.

Xkower8181 07-19-2016 09:01 AM

gg Red Enchilada but i've done the same but you were first...

RomioTheBadass 07-19-2016 09:59 AM

I didn't bother doing it after my first attempt because It's not worth it / Time waste .

TheGuyThatDrawsThings 07-19-2016 12:53 PM

It really isn't, because it's sorta like an challenge.

Kaysakado 07-19-2016 01:28 PM

Question: Are we talking about the jump button, or actually jumping? Because THZ2 (and I'd wager plenty of other stages) is possible without jumping, but you need the jump button to trigger the whirlwind shield when walking off ledges. Actually, it's almost trivial once you get the shield.

I haven't done much in this category but here are some preliminary thoughts:

THZ1: Need a jump right at the beginning to get on the pipe.
THZ2: This pipe you can just walk on, however. Once you get to the drop off before the whirlwind shield, you can charge a spindash to get to the pipe on the far side of the room. From there it's easy to get the whirlwind shield. Without the shield, you can walk off the pipe onto the spring shell to get across the room, spindash into the next room with the moving blocks, and here I believe you'd be stuck. It may be possible to damage boost using the buzz from the previous room but I haven't tried it.
THZ3: There's no high ground to get spindashes off.

DSZ1: I think you'd be stuck at the room with all the skims right before the collapsing platform and attraction shield.
DSZ2: How to get out of the pool: https://gfycat.com/VacantTornAfricanclawedfrog This map is probably stuck when you have to jump over some spikes in the underwater slide though.
DSZ3: Haven't tried it but it should be possible to spin into him. You'd have to be really quick getting onto the capsule before it rises though.

Ors 07-19-2016 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaysakado (Post 782008)
Question: Are we talking about the jump button, or actually jumping? Because THZ2 (and I'd wager plenty of other stages) is possible without jumping, but you need the jump button to trigger the whirlwind shield when walking off ledges. Actually, it's almost trivial once you get the shield.

I haven't done much in this category but here are some preliminary thoughts:

THZ1: Need a jump right at the beginning to get on the pipe.
THZ2: This pipe you can just walk on, however. Once you get to the drop off before the whirlwind shield, you can charge a spindash to get to the pipe on the far side of the room. From there it's easy to get the whirlwind shield. Without the shield, you can walk off the pipe onto the spring shell to get across the room, spindash into the next room with the moving blocks, and here I believe you'd be stuck. It may be possible to damage boost using the buzz from the previous room but I haven't tried it.
THZ3: There's no high ground to get spindashes off.

DSZ1: I think you'd be stuck at the room with all the skims right before the collapsing platform and attraction shield.
DSZ2: How to get out of the pool: https://gfycat.com/VacantTornAfricanclawedfrog This map is probably stuck when you have to jump over some spikes in the underwater slide though.
DSZ3: Haven't tried it but it should be possible to spin into him. You'd have to be really quick getting onto the capsule before it rises though.

I think whirlwind shield should be allowed. It's not "actual" jumping. It would make some stages like THZ2 and DSZ1 even possible.

TheGuyThatDrawsThings 07-19-2016 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaysakado (Post 782008)
Question: Are we talking about the jump button, or actually jumping?

Actually jumping.

fickleheart 07-20-2016 01:28 AM

Personally, I'm excited to see this challenge get potentially blown open in 2.2 when more levels have slopes to roll off of. The jumpless solution for the new GFZ1 is already really cool thanks to them.

By the way, ERCZ jumpless when? That sounds like it'd be hell to not roll off the edge of the platform in the later phases.

Kaysakado 07-20-2016 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedEnchilada (Post 782029)
By the way, ERCZ jumpless when? That sounds like it'd be hell to not roll off the edge of the platform in the later phases.

I dunno, when half the arena's covered in fire I can't imagine it'll be too hard to stop yourself. The ring management's gotta be crazy good though.

EDIT: sloppy little thing: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7T...ew?usp=sharing

Rumia1 07-20-2016 04:38 AM

I'm liking that this topic has been taken seriously and hasn't just devolved into parallel universe/half A press memes, it's interesting to see what is and isn't possible with the level design in the game.

TheGuyThatDrawsThings 07-20-2016 01:44 PM

Funnily enough, when comparing SM64 and SRB2 with memes aside, there's no parallel universes because IIRC you can't get speed on sorts to clip out of bounds, which would act like a crusher/black hole.
There's also no use on holding A before starting, because it would not register as jumping, but if you somehow got an Emmie ticket (as I like to call emerald tokens), you MUST be an cloud cuckoo lander to literally finish the levels slowly.

elvinkonohana 07-22-2016 12:43 AM

I think AGZ is impossible to finish without jumping

Kaysakado 07-22-2016 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elvinkonohana (Post 782078)
I think AGZ is impossible to finish without jumping

Yep, you get stuck at the second platform in the stage. You have one shot to get a damage boost from some BASHes but it won't get you high enough: https://gfycat.com/BlondAgreeableGoldeneye (starting 20 units off the ground because that's how high the sector borders are)

And spindashing won't get you to the next platform further down either. If my math is right you have 9 tics after leaving a ledge before you're too low to step up to a floor at the same height; A full charged spindash will only get you 810 fracunits in that timespan, which is only about halfway to the next platform.

Kennysuavo 07-22-2016 04:27 AM

Yes, but I was only able to get past green flower zone 1. Actually now that I think of it, I might not have even beat it. :/

Kitoko 07-22-2016 10:50 AM

I've beaten up to GFZ3 without jumping before in the earlier 2.0 versions, and got stuck at the platform segment in THZ1. But, now that we have different THZ level design, I might be willing to give it another go....

Blaze The Cat 07-22-2016 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaysakado (Post 782008)
THZ1: Need a jump right at the beginning to get on the pipe.
THZ3: There's no high ground to get spindashes off.
DSZ1: I think you'd be stuck at the room with all the skims right before the collapsing platform and attraction shield.
DSZ2: How to get out of the pool: https://gfycat.com/VacantTornAfricanclawedfrog This map is probably stuck when you have to jump over some spikes in the underwater slide though.

This is why and how "NxA presses" was invented.

TheGuyThatDrawsThings 07-22-2016 07:29 PM

Oh my dear, I never expected this thread to quickly explode!
At least it didn't devolve to teenagers who are tiny boar piglets in disguise spamming "GRAYUD DAD FLENSTONS" and "BAT FAST WEE GONA TALK ABOUT PAWALL UNIVUSS".


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